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wire 10-22-2007 04:58 PM

Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
No reads on villain. He didn't play too many hands.

Is it optimal to try to get all-in on the flop? I'm happy to reraise big here and call a shove if necessary.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+2: $9.05
MP1: $7.05
MP2: $2.95
CO: $9.85
Hero (BTN): $10.05
SB: $6.75
BB: $5.65
UTG: $8.55
UTG+1: $2.40

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">UTG+2 raises to $0.30</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.95</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero ?

CalledDownLight 10-22-2007 05:00 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
Make it $3 and call a shove.

Effen 10-22-2007 05:01 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
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Make it $3 and call a shove.

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+1

QTip 10-22-2007 05:10 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
You get position on the turn here, so make a play that allows you to use it....basically...

+2

Das Budrick 10-22-2007 05:11 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
agree about getting it in.

how often are you guys coldcalling T9s pf against an unknown?

Effen 10-22-2007 05:14 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
I do probably more often than is smart.

CalledDownLight 10-22-2007 05:17 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
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agree about getting it in.

how often are you guys coldcalling T9s pf against an unknown?

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Like always at NL10. Most of the time at higher levels for 3x the BB with position. If he's not a regular then he's probably not great.

Since UTG+2 was the initial raiser I'm fine with just calling if we think he will repop a wide range, but I assume he's also an unknown?

wire 10-22-2007 05:19 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
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how often are you guys coldcalling T9s pf against an unknown?

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Only in LP against another deepstack.

Nichlemn 10-22-2007 11:36 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
A combo draw is a favourite against a single pair and in reasonable shape against a set (~40% equity). However, you'd rather they did fold but you certainly don't mind a call. I think a case can be made for shoving now. It gives the most fold equity (which is what you want to ensure, unless you think the Villain is astute enough to recognise what the huge overbet means) but you're fine if the Villain does call. If you're going to get it in regardless, you may as well give them the best opportunity to fold their slight dogs.
The push also has the bonus of being large enough to potentially get higher flush draws to fold, which are your worst enemy here.

RapidEvolution 10-22-2007 11:59 PM

Re: Combo draw...is this standard shove and love? NL10
 
I'm also for raising and calling a shove here.

As for preflop, I like calling here too. We're hoping to flop big and bust him. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If he folds to flop raise, it's fine because we're even money right now. If he calls, he's almost certainly checking the turn to you (yay for free cards) and if you hit on the turn and he folds, at least you got some value on the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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