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Hipsdontlie69 10-21-2007 01:43 PM

15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
Got this player who likes to raise and steal blinds, I folded away 45o, 73s, T3s, 68o on the BB, what kind of hand do u guys call on the BB against a blind stealer?

Howard Beale 10-21-2007 02:02 PM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
If I want to stop a regular from constantly stealing my blinds I don't call with anything. I 3-bet with anything and usually bet, 3-bet any flop. I may win or I may lose but it'll stop him in short order. If it's a stranger that I don't have to put up with for the long term I just play it straight and toss all those hands you've mentioned also.

Hipsdontlie69 10-21-2007 02:28 PM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
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If I want to stop a regular from constantly stealing my blinds I don't call with anything. I 3-bet with anything and usually bet, 3-bet any flop. I may win or I may lose but it'll stop him in short order. If it's a stranger that I don't have to put up with for the long term I just play it straight and toss all those hands you've mentioned also.

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Thanks for ur input, how about this scenario? Loose MP raises and TAG button called, what hands do u call on the BB?suited connectors ok?

Howard Beale 10-21-2007 02:54 PM

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If I want to stop a regular from constantly stealing my blinds I don't call with anything. I 3-bet with anything and usually bet, 3-bet any flop. I may win or I may lose but it'll stop him in short order. If it's a stranger that I don't have to put up with for the long term I just play it straight and toss all those hands you've mentioned also.

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Thanks for ur input, how about this scenario? Loose MP raises and TAG button called, what hands do u call on the BB?suited connectors ok?

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Meh, I don't know, I guess it depends on how I view these players and how they view me. But I'll say this: I NEVER win in these spots w/ the small suited connectors. I mean they should win once in a while shouldn't they? Not for me they don't. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

3rdCheckRaise 10-21-2007 03:23 PM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
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I NEVER win in these spots w/ the small suited connectors. I mean they should win once in a while shouldn't they? Not for me they don't.

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They never will if you'll continue trying to make a hand instead of trying to win a pot.

Bicycles_Biatch 10-21-2007 04:39 PM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
I like to flop a pair... then let him bluff bet the whole way... turn over bottom pair, don't even wait for his hand to be called out, and yell SHIP IT

Oink 10-21-2007 09:36 PM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
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Got this player who likes to raise and steal blinds, I folded away 45o, 73s, T3s, 68o on the BB, what kind of hand do u guys call on the BB against a blind stealer?

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I dont play live but in online midstakes I will be calling all of those hands against most CO and button raises. I will be calling or 3-betting 70-75% of my hands.

Against a SB open raise I call or 3-bet 100%.

I also strongly disagree that 3-betting everything you want to play preflop is the optimal play.

Pick up Stox book if you want good advice on which hands to play in blind steal situations.

Another option is to check out some coaching vids by DeathDonkey in the DC forum. He is pretty expert.

HOWMANY 10-21-2007 11:07 PM

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I NEVER win in these spots w/ the small suited connectors. I mean they should win once in a while shouldn't they? Not for me they don't.

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They never will if you'll continue trying to make a hand instead of trying to win a pot.

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You mean the secret to poker is actually playing poker?

Howard Beale 10-22-2007 12:08 AM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
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I NEVER win in these spots w/ the small suited connectors. I mean they should win once in a while shouldn't they? Not for me they don't.

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They never will if you'll continue trying to make a hand instead of trying to win a pot.

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You mean the secret to poker is actually playing poker?

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Yeah, I'll pay good money to watch the good players call w/ 5-4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and win the pot when the flop comes Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Yessiree! That there's poker playing!

HOWMANY 10-22-2007 12:14 AM

Re: 15/30 BB minimum hands?
 
Maybe you should play in casinos where they don't stack the deck every hand and the flop can have a good texture to bluff on.


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