i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl help
 

background:

ive been 3betting this particular villain on a few tables quite a lot in the last 10 mins (he was 17/13 at time of this hand) and he has laid down them all down. He'll think I'm generally aggressive and capable of trying to mess with his head.
I've been generally getting the better of him postflop, but have had the better of the cards as well.

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6 players, seat 3 is the button

Seat 1: CO ($1,434.97)
Seat 3: BTN ($1,033.00)
Seat 5: SB ($160.00)
Seat 6: <font color="#C80000">HERO</font> ($1,221.13)
Seat 8: UTG ($369.00)
Seat 10: UTG+1 ($1,109.00)

SB posts small blind, $5.00
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> posts big blind, $10.00

Dealing to <font color="#C80000">HERO</font>:
A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
CO raises to $35
BTN calls
SB folds
<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> raises to $210
CO calls
BTN folds

Dealing flop: (Pot is $460.00)
9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> checks
CO checks

Dealing turn: (Pot is $460.00)
4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">HERO</font> bets $400
CO calls

Dealing river: (Pot is $1,260.00)
T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

is this an autoshove for $611 or is $300 better?

just given his hand range it is AT, AJ, AQ (AK he would of shoved turn or 4bet pf i think), TT-KK

if i shove i think he only calls and i win with AJ, whereas if i bet $300 or so it may get a call by his hand range.

he may though have a lot of weaker suited aces, so i figured shove was best.

i know this is very basic, just wondering what your thoughts were.

btw turn bet was big to rep a bluff. i often make this sized bets as bluffs or with good hands. i figured he would call with Ax, TT+ maybe even 66+


also i think if he calls $300 it will furthur tilt him vs me, which is always good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

Why not just bet the flop since your perceived 3-betting range is pretty wide?

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

what's up with the giant 3bet pf?
i prolly just shove the river here...you only have 1/2 pot left. if he's calling 300 he's probably gonna call 600

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

i felt i only needed to bet 2 streets. maybe betting flop and river is a wiser play here, in fact yes it probably is, but i guess i felt despite having a pretty wide 3bet range he could easily fold on the flop.

maybe i was getting greedy for picking up one bet rather than being riskier and going to win both bets (flop and river) - i knew he'd call a turn bet but maybe not a river bet, but then he is more likely to call river if he has me go bet-check than check-bet

as for giant 3bet pf, it is pretty chunky, but often it's just how the game is flowing. i figured i was getting called pretty loose, and would rather take it down pf with AQ oop so make it pretty chunky.

i just feel with shoving it screams out i have the A whereas betting $300, nobody likes to call $400 on the turn and then fold $300 on the river getting 5:1 vs a guy who has been pissing you off in recent hands.

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

Why such a huge 3bet?

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

Oh, the 3bet sucks. If anything, bet small because hes calling light and will look you up with a lot of 2nd best hands. You're helping him to play more correctly imo

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

arturius, kinda agree, but then when i want to bluff in later hands it makes it harder if ive been betting small for value imo.

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

so preflop was intentional???

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

i dont that pf is bad really. my image is that i will make these 3bets pretty wide so ill get called by a larger range. so to get them to fold i need to raise more.

imo i dont want a caller here with AQ oop, but it is a very good hand as a backup in case i see a flop.

for him its $175 into a pot of $285 when he has position vs a player with a wideish 3betting and squeezing range.

meh, maybe it is a leak, but i think much less and im getting called.

Re: i\'m probably being really nitty about value here but....5-10nl hel
 

you are too worried about not wanting a call OOP, that you are making all worse hands fold and better hands stay in. Also, your opponents will prob react to your bets in more of a push/fold manner instead of seeing flops. AQo isnt good enough to call AI most likely but by raising 20% of your stack and folding is pretty expensive when you could have raised to 130 or so instead.