1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

<font color="blue"> Villian is an unknown 23/13/3 over 50 hands </font>

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SB ($39.85)
<font color="#C00000">Ryan_j37 ($360.40)</font>
UTG ($208.05)
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 ($367.40)</font>
MP1 ($194)
MP2 ($131.60)
CO ($139.10)
Button ($44.45)

Preflop: Ryan_j37 is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Ryan_j37 raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $8, MP1 calls $8, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($26) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Ryan_j37 bets $18</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $54</font>, MP1 folds, Ryan_j37 calls $36.

Turn: ($134) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Ryan_j37 checks with the plan of check raising all in

Thoughts?

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

lol no way. This would be a massive massive massive overplay.

i would consider folding the flop without history.

As played i'd c/c the turn, with a plan of playing pretty cautiously on the river.

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

Is it really possible to massively overplay top two nut flush draw? Serious question.

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

yeah, when most of villains range is a set or a flush

Also, on the turn your flush draw is really just a 20% bonus to your equity, nothing more. It doesn't increase the strength of your hand all that much.

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

Only hands I see making this move are a set of fives or a set of nines, maybe, maybe 6/7 or 7/8 of spades. I think the Ace probably made your hand a cooler not a monster, I would c/c.

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

The As being on the board greatly discounts his chances of having a flush. People dont raise their not nut draws very often at this level. At least not that I see.

I highly doubt he raises the flop with say QJss or TJss. So if hes got the flush it has to be probably 78ss or 67ss.

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

yeah, but in that case it just means he has a set or something dumb. crai the turn just seems like a good way to fold the something dumb part of his range and get instacalled by the set part of his range.

also 67 and 78 spades play this the same.

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

I Don't understand the point you're trying to make, do you think he'd fold a flush to a check raise?

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

you basically turn your hand into a bluff when you c/r that hand on the turn. what hands do you think call you? you aren't trying to protect as you have the nut draw and no two pairs can hurt you. c/r is the absolute worst move here.

why not just fold the flop?

Re: 1/2: Turned monster 180bb deep
 

i think c/c the turn is by far the best option here. Even if you feel that you are committed to the hand vs this villain, i think its still better to c/c then c/c river, or c/c then donk all in on the river.