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hoyasaxa 10-19-2007 02:59 PM

too fancy for nl10?
 
villains first hand at table
Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($10.25)
SB ($5.20)
BB ($10)
UTG ($3.05)
MP ($14.35)
CO ($9.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.35</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($0.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.55</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1.1</font>, Hero calls $0.55.

Turn: ($2.95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1.4</font>, Hero calls $1.40.

River: ($5.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.75</font>

hoyasaxa 10-19-2007 03:13 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
basically, i have no clue what villain would play like this.
But I dont think villain has a 2, 3, or flush, and dont really think villain can call without one. Basically im reacting to a read of weakness. The problem is i think im going to get called down way too light at nl10, while this might work at, say, nl 400

finalboarder 10-19-2007 03:31 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
Villians play has me confused too. But at 10NL and no reads you really don't know if villian is doing this with 95 and calling the river. I think that I would usually fold on the flop with my underpair to a reraise. But maybe I'm being weak.

well named 10-19-2007 03:43 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
I'm guessing most likely villain has a 9 with an OK kicker and doesn't like the board too much.

Nevertheless, whether or not your river bet will work depends a great deal on how likely he is to lay down a one pair hand on this board. I don't think I try this without at least some read on the villain, but against someone who has shown some weak-tight tendencies this is a good spot to bluff.

Most of the time though the board isn't going to cooperate this much so I think calling the flop is -EV in general. The kind of player who is check-raising this flop without some kind of hand is not the kind of player who is check-folding this river very often

Waingro 10-19-2007 05:46 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
I donīt get it, what did you put him on the turn? I think calling the turn against an unknown is much more spewtastic than bluffing this river. The river I donīt know really, he obviously doesnīt like his hand much but will he fold a 9? Your line doesnīt really make much sense unless you are repping a 3 and he might not believe you. My advice is donīt get to the river this way in the first place.

Sniiii 10-19-2007 05:51 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
There's tons of players who play A-9, K-9, T-9 and alike, so I'm not sure why you're calling turn. At least I'd fold there. And definitely fold river?

SuperMxyz 10-19-2007 06:13 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
I don't see him laying down his 9 or flush very often.

marimba man 10-19-2007 06:30 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
So wait... You did a 2 street float followed by a bet that turns you hand into a bluff...? Oh I forgot to add that you have no read which makes this play even stranger. The river bet is never good at any level imo.

Nologo 10-19-2007 06:52 PM

Re: too fancy for nl10?
 
Pretty much anything but pure value betting is too fancy for 10nl.


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