monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

no read, not even a single datamined hand on UTG. he sat 4 hands ago, folded every hand preflop, then this. BTN is 37/9/.4 39 WTSD after 170 hands.

what's the worst hand you call this shove with?

Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $1,265
BTN: $1,245.42
SB: $1,845.62
BB: $439.31
UTG: $591

Pre-Flop: XX dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $6, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, BTN calls $30, 2 folds, UTG calls $24

Flop: ($99) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $80</font>, BTN calls $80, <font color="red">UTG raises to $561 and is All-In</font>

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

i call with any flush, any set, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A/K if im feeling lucky/tilty

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

what about Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ?

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

I muck it fast, none of your outs are clean.

I call with sets and made flushes I think.

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lol wtf?

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

Oops - I somehow overlooked the stats on the coldcaller, sorry about that. With this guy coldcalling I probably call too at the table, since he might have Kx, or some club&lt; Q.

I am still not sure its such an easy call though - what hands do you think UTG will checkraise all in with, even with the fish in. Obviously flushes, sets, AcX might do it, but what else? I am at work and dont have pokerstove, but I am not sure we are in too great shape against that range, not even getting good odds.

Feel fre to flame away if I am off here - maybe I am too nitty in spots like this.

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

so KJ is a fold?

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so KJ is a fold?

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w/o a read i think so

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

I'd fold everything but a flush or a set here or A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Ax. I think AK with the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is probably a fold, and yes I do think there is a pretty big difference between AA with a club and AK with a club, mainly our equity against two pair and sets.

KJ has to be a fold, I think. You're getting good odds but most people's shoving range in this spot is going to be sets and flushes, and occasionally the same hand for top two pair. We also have to factor in the donk behind us, who could be slowplaying a variety of hands.

All in all I'd say fold everything but AA with a club, sets, and flushes.

Re: monotone flop, facing massive overbet from unknown
 

KJ calls for me
A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]X calls for me too