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Wilpro 10-18-2007 09:48 PM

nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
No reads sorry, need some advice on these hands, i think i play this awful...

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $17.05
SB: $9.80
BB: $9.90
UTG: $6.10
Hero (MP): $9.80
CO: $5.70

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.40, UTG folds

Flop: ($1.65) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.10</font>, BTN calls $1.10, BB folds

Turn: ($3.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.70</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $5.40</font>, Hero ...

Jailblazers 10-18-2007 09:58 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
I'm unsure of this hand here also. He called preflop which means he could have like a PP (set) or suited connectors. He also may have picked up a flush draw. Eh...check/call flop + minraise turn looks like he has something stronger than an overpair. Fold.

doublehawk 10-18-2007 10:31 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
Yeah, that's ugly. As played, I'd fold that river - chk/minraise on the river is usually a strong hand at 10NL imo. I wouldn't bet on the river there either - I think the only hand that would call your bet has a set or a straight. Maybe try check/calling the turn to see what he does and reevaluate the river.

Jailblazers 10-18-2007 10:40 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
IMO, I think betting the turn here is fine because you might get some guy calling you down w/ TP or mid-PP. I do not really think there is a good reason to believe that the five on the turn has completed most hands. I would be more worried about a set.

Schiester 10-18-2007 10:55 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
I'm inclined to get away from this one, especially without reads. You've showed aggresson on two streets AND you've been minraised. I'm thinking set/(maybe)straight.

IMO Overpairs usually raise the flop.

Schiester 10-18-2007 10:58 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
Definately bet the turn.

Richard Tanner 10-18-2007 11:17 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
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IMO, I think betting the turn here is fine because you might get some guy calling you down w/ TP or mid-PP. I do not really think there is a good reason to believe that the five on the turn has completed most hands. I would be more worried about a set.

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Betting the turn is fine, but not thinking that 5 helped?? Are the games getting that good that villian can't call with 6-5 or A-3 here. I still see that all the time.

Cody

Jailblazers 10-18-2007 11:35 PM

Re: nl10 JJ, spewy hand for me.
 
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IMO, I think betting the turn here is fine because you might get some guy calling you down w/ TP or mid-PP. I do not really think there is a good reason to believe that the five on the turn has completed most hands. I would be more worried about a set.

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Betting the turn is fine, but not thinking that 5 helped?? Are the games getting that good that villian can't call with 6-5 or A-3 here. I still see that all the time.

Cody

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Yeah maybe it helped, but I don't think that helps the majority of his range (which is extremely wide after the flop). As for 65o and A3o, tough to say he is chasing a gutshot without assuming he is worse than average. A read would definately help.


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