Optimal time for squeeze?
 

This hand took place deep into the daily double, 19 left out of 1600 entrants. Nato seems like a solid player, he hasnt gotten out of line yet. i was a big stack earlier in the tournament and nato was on my left most of the time, he saw me getting active with late position raises and 3bet me a few times. eventually i became short and played tight solid poker for a good 3-4 levels which allowed me to double up. i have no reads on the flat caller. Do i have enough chips to warrant a squeeze? does squeezing here turn my hand into a bluff? clearly im only getting called by hands that im flipping/dominated by. I assume flatcalling oop preflop is the worst choice, but im not sure if it makes more sense to just fold and find a better spot since the table has been on the tight side and folding to my pushes. so here is the question, which is better:

squeeze > fold > flat-call
fold > squeeze > flat-call

AARgh cant get the converter to work sorry

Daily Double - A (29071296), Table 58 - 3000/6000 Ante 750 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:30:11 ET - 2007/10/18
Seat 1: Nato76 (361,375)
Seat 2: MaitreD (54,830)
Seat 3: qXxXMattXxXq (246,444)
Seat 4: cmazzias (146,094)
Seat 5: POKERFAN38 (166,270)
Seat 8: SONNY PERRY TN (218,514)
Seat 9: Goldenad (96,450)
Nato76 antes 750
MaitreD antes 750
qXxXMattXxXq antes 750
cmazzias antes 750
POKERFAN38 antes 750
SONNY PERRY TN antes 750
Goldenad antes 750
SONNY PERRY TN posts the small blind of 3,000
Goldenad posts the big blind of 6,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Goldenad [2d 2s]
Nato76 raises to 18,000
MaitreD folds
qXxXMattXxXq folds
cmazzias calls 18,000
POKERFAN38 folds
SONNY PERRY TN has 15 seconds left to act
SONNY PERRY TN folds
Goldenad...

Re: Optimal time for squeeze?
 

Not a terrible spot for a squeeze however, your stack size is going to let Nato76 call with a lot wider range since it will only be 78k to call 114k.

Re: Optimal time for squeeze?
 

Hello. This seems very close to me either way. The best you'd be hoping for with the squeeze obviously is both of them folding. If you get one caller you're probably toast. If you get two callers pack your bags.

I'd pick fold>squeeze>call.

I'd squeeze if I had 77's or better though... for sure.

Re: Optimal time for squeeze?
 

folds

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Hello. This seems very close to me either way. The best you'd be hoping for with the squeeze obviously is both of them folding. If you get one caller you're probably toast. If you get two callers pack your bags.

I'd pick fold>squeeze>call.

I'd squeeze if I had 77's or better though... for sure.

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Umm I'd be willing to bet 77 does identical v. villain's (either one) calling range as does 22. You're not getting called by any pair between 22 and 77, so who cares. 77 is obviously slightly better because it doesn't get counterfitted as often when the board double pairs, but, umm, how often does that happen?

Anyway, I don't like this spot much due to the fact that villain raised UTG and without a read that he's opening from here fairly frequently I think he's calling us with the vast majority of his range and we do poorly against it. More FE would help us, especially against middle pairs (obviously) but considering he can call our shove, lose the hand, and still be table CL, I'm not sure how much FE we have, especially since we have a read that he has noticed us making adjustments (like a good spot to squeeze in) and adjusted his play. Finally, the second guy is also pretty likely to get involved with hands like 77-99 hoping with have overs and getting a nice overlay, even if the UTG raise was with a marginal hand. The second guy is going to be getting a really nice price when it gets to him. I really want to find a squeeze here because we could really use the chips, I just don't think they both fold very often at all.

Re: Optimal time for squeeze?
 

What happened here?

Re: Optimal time for squeeze?
 

i pushed, utg folded and smoothcaller called with 1010

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What happened here?

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cmon I told you the second guy had a middle pair, read my posts

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What happened here?

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cmon I told you the second guy had a middle pair, read my posts

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F your post!

Re: Optimal time for squeeze?
 

10:43 PM