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BubbleMint 10-16-2007 12:01 PM

This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
Absent of a read, this hand is the typical line I will take with a flopped flush draw from the BB, when 'scare' cards are absent.

Full Tilt 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif.
[color=#666666]2 folds</font>, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, <font color="red">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3c.gif <font color="red">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5s.gif <font color="red">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif <font color="red">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

anti1k 10-16-2007 12:04 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
Flop Check-raise is my standard line here.

Turn anr river is standard

BubbleMint 10-16-2007 12:13 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
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Flop Check-raise is my standard line here.

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I like that idea.
I figured the turn follow through pushes out medium aces and most if not all kings.
I felt checking the turn makes it impossible for us to win the pot with the worst hand.

Absolution 10-16-2007 12:54 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
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Flop Check-raise is my standard line here.

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I like that idea.
I figured the turn follow through pushes out medium aces and most if not all kings.
I felt checking the turn makes it impossible for us to win the pot with the worst hand.

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Except vs. someone like me who will call you again on the turn to make you fire on the river if you want it (which you probably won't.)

Gurravasa 10-16-2007 01:53 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
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Flop Check-raise is my standard line here.

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I like that idea.
I figured the turn follow through pushes out medium aces and most if not all kings.
I felt checking the turn makes it impossible for us to win the pot with the worst hand.

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I'm calling all aces and Kings on turn if I was villain if I got c/r on that flop. I think you overestimate the power of a flop c/r on a 2-flush board. I have no standard lines, I play according to the opposition. Against an unknown I c/c flop and turn and c/f river UI. Donk river if I hit. Not very funny but with no read I see no point in making moves when you don't know what villains responses means.

anti1k 10-16-2007 04:29 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
Even if villain has something like Ax and his planning to calldown, you have small equity edge on the flop so check-raise isnt bad then. And most villians will fold K-high on the turn. So Im still check-raising here.

sethypooh21 10-16-2007 05:17 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
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Even if villain has something like Ax and his planning to calldown, you have small equity edge on the flop so check-raise isnt bad then. And most villians will fold K-high on the turn. So Im still check-raising here.

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This is a pretty decent C/R spot. However, you have to be wary of opponents who will "rebluff" the turn (I say rebluff, because their Ax/Kx is the best hand, but they don't know it.)

RudeboyOi 10-16-2007 05:35 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
since you donked the flop here
this is a nice spot on the turn to c/r
you may get him to laydown a better hand
and if it gets checked thru thats great too
you get to then see the river for free

NinaWilliams 10-16-2007 07:02 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
C/r the flop is standard for me aswell. I donk 0% of my hands here. I also c/r the river. I also dont think the river is getting checked through much, so I c/r.

Oink 10-16-2007 07:22 PM

Re: This is my standard line, is it standard for all of us ?
 
Just make sure you balance your play.

If you donk draws you also need to donk sets and TP and 2 pair.


In general tho I think you should c/r. Your fold eq when c/r is better overall as a c/r signals more strength and you also win bigger pots when he folds.


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