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Kornspitz 10-13-2007 04:02 PM

(NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
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No special reads after ~15 hands against villain.

I got no idea what my plan here should be. Should I donk, c/r or c/c even c/f here? I think his range here is AK/QQ in first place, but what is more likely, and how do i find out?
If I bet and he 3bets, do I fold?
Does he give up QQ here?
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Party Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $23.35
UTG: $1.65
UTG+1: $7.19
Hero (MP): $15.26
CO: $8.31
BTN: $9.90
SB: $1.74

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, CO calls $0.40, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.70</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.30, CO folds

Flop: ($3.95) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $2.10</font>, Hero ?

TheBad 10-13-2007 05:49 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
Re-raise PF. I raise the flop and probably fold to further resistance.

PokerFun007 10-13-2007 06:32 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
That's a pretty timid bet from him here on the flop. I'd raise it up to 6 here and see how he responds.

If the hand continued, post the next moves...

Kornspitz 10-13-2007 06:56 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
Thanks.

But if I raise, I'm comitted, am I not?
He has about 6$ left, so if I raise to 6$ and he pushes it's only 2$ for me.

Does he have QQ or even worse here often enough to make me wanna play for my stack?

What do you think about c/f the flop? Seems like the cheaper way to find out if he has an ace.

RoyalFarmer 10-13-2007 07:20 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
C/f the Flop???

What do you find out with that play? Nothing at all.

Go broke and feel good. He either has an ace or he is beat.
A donk might be funny, since he could reraise with JJ or QQ, because he wants to find out if you really got an ace and almost commit himself.
If you check-raise he might fold TT-QQ, but if you donk he can't fold them IMO.

Anyway, 4bet preflop.

Kornspitz 10-13-2007 07:40 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
lol sorry, meant b/f the flop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

chip-star 10-13-2007 08:16 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
Reraise.

His flop bet is pretty weak given his preflop 3bet and if he had an aces he'd probably bet more because of the flushdraw.

His bet looks like it's an amount that dosnt want to seem like it's near enough the same size bet as his preflop 3bet when in reality it pretty much is, he wants to look strong when really he is weak and dosnt want to commit too much to the pot with his bet.

Your also much more likely to be up against QQ than AK because you hold two of the kings yourself making it more unlikely he has another.

By the way he's played it i probably reraise to $5.50 and call a push or push the turn if called.

Kornspitz 10-13-2007 08:37 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
Ok, thanks guys. I reraised, and he pushed with AK.

speedle 10-13-2007 08:54 PM

Re: (NL 10) - KK, 2 Aces on flop
 
Drawing dead.. it happens.

I had a similar situation today... pretty much the same board (i think 6AA) and i reraised the guy pre flop. He bet half the pot, i raised, he pushed and i called. The guy mucked QQ. I only called because i had a specific note on him, otherwise i would have folded.

Given how you played, it's imperative you raise the flop.


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