okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

early on in Stars 12 turbo 180...built a good stack but no real reads...why do I suck so much???

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
9 players


Stack sizes:
Hero: t5650
UTG+1: t1620
MP1: t1145
MP2: t1440
MP3: t1390
CO: t3212
Button: t1425
SB: t2915
BB: t2310

Pre-flop:(9 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises to t300
7 folds
BB calls t200

Flop: (t650) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks
Hero checks

Turn: (t650) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t100
Hero calls t100

River:(t850) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t200
Hero calls t200

Final pot: t1250

Re: okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

nh.

Re: okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

Playing KK passively on Axx boards is/should be standard. Drawiness of this board makes raising the turn an option, but nh still.

Re: okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

This is fine, you got upset because he showed QQ or a made backdoor flush, but in all reality, your line here is fine. If he checks once, and then checks the turn, start betting for value.

Barry

Re: okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

lol...barry i can live with most of those but he had 35 off and made a backdoor runner runner str8...not a huge pot so wasnt too stressed but do I bet this flop when checked to???

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lol...barry i can live with most of those but he had 35 off and made a backdoor runner runner str8...not a huge pot so wasnt too stressed but do I bet this flop when checked to???

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I don't. Getting to showdown cheaply is the goal now.

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do I bet this flop when checked to???

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Next time, vs this villain, yes.

Re: okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

Unless 300 has been your standard raise, I would like to see you make it 400-500 UTG. BB probably will call anyways, so make him make more of a mistake.

I don't mind the check on the flop, although sometimes I like to c-bet here to find out where I am at. I know DS once said that sometimes you have to see that Ace as a Duece HU when you have a big hand like KK/QQ/JJ, although it is easier said that done.

Either way, you kept the pot small and lost the minimum, and bets saved are bets earned. NH.

Re: okay...i think I win the prize for the weakest KK line ever...
 

thanks all...glad to see opinion was in line with my line...didnt see a point in getting fancy with such a small pot and was happy to pay the cheap price at the river to see

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lol...barry i can live with most of those but he had 35 off and made a backdoor runner runner str8...not a huge pot so wasnt too stressed but do I bet this flop when checked to???

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No, no you don't, because most of the time you are only getting called down by better hands / big draws. And, when you don't get called, it's going to suck, because you probably would have on a later street by a smaller pair.

I think you handled it fine. If you were against me, I would have bet a [censored] chunk on the river to make you think I missed the flush; in retrospect, you should have been really happy villain doesn't know how to maximize value on the river.

Barry