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yourface 10-08-2007 04:58 PM

SB blind defence with AK
 
button is a LAGTAG
my image is LAGTAG

BB here is a weak player, so button is likely opening an especially wide range

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) yourface is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface 3-bets</font>, BB folds, button calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">yourface bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">button raises</font>, yourface calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">button bets</font>, yourface calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7BB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">button bets</font>,

bigmac366 10-08-2007 05:00 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
i hate to do it but i think i can find a fold here, many of his open raising, but non capping hands pf were helped on this flop.

mattnxtc 10-08-2007 05:34 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
I dont think you can call the river...Theres not a lot you beat and with a wide range he hits a pair a lot here.

yourface 10-08-2007 05:38 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
bonus questions:
what if we had 55?
77-88?
A6?

what if villain has a smartLAG image?

vmacosta 10-08-2007 06:23 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
actually it would be helpful to know how relentless of a value better he is. A lot of ppl check down 98 here, so you can see his range is more heavily skewed towards busted spade draws.

It's also useful to know just how aggro he is cuz most ppl won't raise the flop with K8, but some lags do.

Of course these two factors cancel but I imagine the first is more important than the second.

NinaWilliams 10-08-2007 06:40 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
bonus questions:
what if we had 55?
77-88?
A6?

what if villain has a smartLAG image?

[/ QUOTE ]

I dont think theres much of a difference between our hand and A6, 55, 77, or 88. Basically, I feel like hes rarely betting a 6 here, but will often bet a 9 or T putting you on A high or a low pp. I think you can find a fold here simply because the Q hit quite a few of his semi bluffing hands, and that most lagtags will shutdown with their semi bluffs after you call the turn because it looks like youre showing down.

yourface 10-08-2007 07:28 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
he will vb the river with A9+
he's not semibluffing with less than an OESD or FD on the flop

vmacosta 10-08-2007 07:48 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
he will vb the river with A9+
he's not semibluffing with less than an OESD or FD on the flop

[/ QUOTE ]

wicked close... my guess is he gives up on some bluffs on the river so a fold is correct. If he is a smart lag than he could easily be vb'ing 98 and not necessarily making an elaborate bluff with A8 so you should def fold. Against a bad lag (or tag) who doesn't vb enough but does barrel off a lot you should prob call.

133 games 0.001 secs 133,000 games/sec

Board: Qd Th 9s 6s 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 88.722% 88.72% 00.00% 118 0.00 { 66, ATs-A9s, As8s, As7s, As5s, As4s, As3s, KTs, Ks7s, Ks5s, Ks4s, Ks3s, Q8s+, JTs, J8s, Js7s, Js5s, Js4s, T9s, T6s, 96s, 87s, 8s5s, 7s5s, 5s4s, ATo-A9o, KTo, Q8o+, JTo, J8o, T9o }
Hand 1: 11.278% 11.28% 00.00% 15 0.00 { AhKd }

Absolution 10-08-2007 08:08 PM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
This spot sucks because he can play perfectly on the river unless you also do this with strong hands on a draw heavy board (I'm guessing not.) On the flop it feels like you're going to get get raised here almost every time, but I'm not sure what you can do it about it. Without any more detailed reads I'm not sure what you can do here. He probably isn't playing a small pp or Ax hand this way, but everything else in his range is going to raise this flop. I really want to fold this river, but that I'd worry about meta against a guy like this.

Oink 10-09-2007 05:21 AM

Re: SB blind defence with AK
 
Nick. This hand was when I sweated you right?

I want to fold but there was a thread by brassmonkey a few days back where the pizzle stoved AQ in a similar spot and it had huge eq against his range.


I am at work, but I wish someone would stove AK here. I suspect I fold too much in these spots.


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