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Dankenstein 10-07-2007 07:10 PM

ATo
 
I should have folded this preflop. But I just sat down and wanted to get in a hand. That being the case I have no reads on the other players at all. Which should be another argument for folding this PF. I'm thinking that betting this river was a pretty bad move. I put my opponent on either a smaller pair or a draw. Anyway here's the hand:
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (4.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (6.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero ??

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

tyler_cracker 10-07-2007 07:26 PM

Re: ATo
 
pf is super standard, but "I just sat down and wanted to get in a hand." is a huge leak.

check the river. what worse hand can call?

since you didn't, fold.

Landonfan 10-07-2007 07:32 PM

Re: ATo
 
Everything is standard up to the river. Just check behind here, no worse hand is calling.

KyndGroove 10-07-2007 07:33 PM

Re: ATo
 
I don't see how this is anything other than a call PF w/o reads on the two limpers.

Regardless of what we do PF, leading the flop and turn is good.

I think you have to fold to the raise on the river. I don't think he's bluff raising here anywhere close to 10% of the time.

Landonfan 10-07-2007 07:38 PM

Re: ATo
 
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I don't see how this is anything other than a call PF w/o reads on the two limpers.

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Value and isolation.

ATo is likely the best hand against two limpers. We want to fold out the players behind us, partly because we want position on the limpers, and partly because ATo can win UI against two players.

Gary Frates 10-07-2007 07:40 PM

Re: ATo
 
I would have played conservative and check/called the river in this situation.

scpi10 10-08-2007 01:50 AM

Re: ATo
 
grunch

Hero folds.At this point all you are beating is a bluff.I think you should have checked behind on the river.

OziBattler 10-08-2007 02:01 AM

Re: ATo
 
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I don't see how this is anything other than a call PF w/o reads on the two limpers.

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Value and isolation.

ATo is likely the best hand against two limpers in a 25c/50c game but if one wants to come up with a reason that this isnt a raise then that argument would need to include reads that the limpers are really tight and nitty such that our range sucks versus theirs. We want to fold out the players behind us, partly because we want position on the limpers, and partly because ATo can win UI against two players.

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Sushiglutton 10-08-2007 04:12 AM

Re: ATo
 
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pf is super standard, but "I just sat down and wanted to get in a hand." is a huge leak.

check the river. what worse hand can call?

since you didn't, fold.

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