Another AA on messy board.
 

Second hand of the $10 $100k. First hand, UTG limped A9 and made very little by playing very slowly on a AAQQ3 board.

He bet after about 1 second.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3130
UTG+1: t2920
MP1: t3000
MP2: t3000
MP3: t2980
Hero: t3020
Button: t2970
SB: t2980
BB: t3000

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t30)</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to t80</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t200</font>, 4 folds, MP1 calls t120 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t330)</font>.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t450, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets t480</font>, Hero?

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

I think i'd make it 1500/call shove against this guy. His flop lead looks a lot more like QQ protecting than TT;JJ trapping. Just get it in here.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

I think I would call here. I think his range here is something like 88-QQ; possibly even KQo/s; also since you don't have the Ad it is likely he could have AJs/AQs. Against this range you only have 57% equity. Calling here gives you the ability to get away from this hand on bad turn cards, as well as getting extra value when he bets the turn and you shove good cards.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

I never really see anyone overbet donk with a set, it's usually a medium strength hand/draw. I think we have to raise here.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

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I think I would call here. I think his range here is something like 88-QQ; possibly even KQo/s; also since you don't have the Ad it is likely he could have AJs/AQs. Against this range you only have 57% equity. Calling here gives you the ability to get away from this hand on bad turn cards, as well as getting extra value when he bets the turn and you shove good cards.

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I think u have to weight his range more towards TT-QQ here after his flop lead. OP's 3-bet range pre prob doesn't include many non-pair hands (at this level)...so i would expect villain to c/r with TT;JJ here since OP is c-betting this flop with his enitre 3-betting range. The prob with calling is that there are a lot of turn cards on this board that will make it very difficult to get any more value from hands that we beat, like QQ.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

Definitely wanting to raise more preflop.
As played just repot it or even just shove (same difference really) you're probably slightly behind the range that he felts but it's still the best way to play it imo.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

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Definitely wanting to raise more preflop.


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I was going to say this too...

if villain has 88;TT;JJ;AKdd i kind of like his line here.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

wait, did I post this one? I guess not:

OK, I think it's an easy get it AI anyway you can on the flop. If you distinguish from my example, there are a smattering of hands that you easily dominate here. And a few hands where it's a flip. I don't see sets playing it like this. Factor in AJo donk playing it like this.

Barry

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

make it 1300ish... fist pump call shove.

Re: Another AA on messy board.
 

It's hard not to push this. Figure him for AJd considering the instabet.