Is this a bluff enough?
 

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $57
HERO: $270.65
CO: $121.50
Button: $15.90
SB: $104.90
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $2</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $1</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $10</font>, HERO calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($27, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $27</font>, SB calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($81, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $65.9</font>.


DO we think this is a bluff enough of the time to call here or do we lay it down and move on? No real history with Villan.

Thoughts?

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

I would lay it down. If villian was bluffing the flop he folds the turn. If villian has a straight on the turn he would likely shove Villian probably had j9 or 99xx with flush draw on flop.

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

my god man.......fold

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

he's played it exactly like a set, unknown at $100 this has to be a fold.

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

what did you think when playing the flop like that?

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

So, the fact I am holding a J and 4 doesn't change our thinking? There isn't a chance that he flopped the NFD and is bluffing the river? Wouldn't the NFD play very similar?

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

I dont think the bare NFD check/raises the flop. maybe a combo of ttp and fd or set and fd, but those hands have you beat.

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

so your getting like 2-1 here? I think that your behind here a lot. that was the worse river. he may bluff the NFD here, but not often enough to warrant a call. IMO the best your going to get is a split with QsTsxx.
I think its a fold.

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

3 things...
1. if you need to ask here, you probably should fold becasue you're in for tough decisions on later streets.
2. preflop is fine. short handed that's a good hand to play with.
3. as played I call flop and reevaluate turn. UTG puts pressure on me... I'd have to check my crystal ball but most turns will make me fold.

Re: Is this a bluff enough?
 

wtf is up with preflop and flop.

the hand is too weak to play, and you minCbet the flop (was that a misclick).

the hand is just too confusingly played for me to comment. i'd probably just muck the river. he could have played that way with a set and you are really calling for a split.