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noles321 10-04-2007 11:07 AM

another Schneids question
 
In the video he mentioned that he raises sixes under the gun but foldes fours under the gun. This statement got me thinking, they are basically the same hand so why raise one and not the other. I usually open raise all pairs 6 handed but this has me rethinking this line as they typically are hard to play. Just curious how most play the baby pairs in early position?

whodaman 10-04-2007 11:14 AM

Re: another Schneids question
 
66>44
66 flops more overpairs/2nd pairs/etc... plays better vs hands that defend from blinds...gets counterfeited less.

there are a bunch of reasons why 66>44.
Now in todays online games where you get 3 bet by JTs and they fire 3 barrels it becomes very difficult to play 22-55 OOP. My UTG range is similar to Schneids.

XXsooted 10-04-2007 01:28 PM

Re: another Schneids question
 
I just blindly follow stoxtrader's suggested ranges for every pos. He suggests 55 utg and 33 hj fwiw

emerson 10-04-2007 01:45 PM

Re: another Schneids question
 
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I just blindly follow stoxtrader's suggested ranges for every pos. He suggests 55 utg and 33 hj fwiw

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Yes, it is strange that he suggests 33 in the hj when it loses money at that position, and he loses money with it.

Start with 33 on the button and increase pair value by one for each place you move away from the button. This would make the minimum 66 for UTG in a six max.

stoxtrader 10-04-2007 02:40 PM

Re: another Schneids question
 
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I just blindly follow stoxtrader's suggested ranges for every pos. He suggests 55 utg and 33 hj fwiw

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Yes, it is strange that he suggests 33 in the hj when it loses money at that position, and he loses money with it.

Start with 33 on the button and increase pair value by one for each place you move away from the button. This would make the minimum 66 for UTG in a six max.

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how do you know what hands I win/lose with? are you assuming the stats in WITHG are mine?

33 certainly close - its a tweener for sure, and with 3 solid players left to act I think a fold is fine, or a fold is fine anyways, 44 I def. like as an open raise in the HJ.

joop 10-04-2007 05:53 PM

Re: another Schneids question
 
Why are we even discussing preflop in mid-high? Very simple street to play.

OP : I have your ATSB as 33%... but you raise 22 UTG? Maybe time to re-read SSH.

dangerfish 10-04-2007 09:00 PM

Re: another Schneids question
 
Umm.. I actually did think the stats were yours. In fact I assumed most of the book was based around your play.

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I just blindly follow stoxtrader's suggested ranges for every pos. He suggests 55 utg and 33 hj fwiw

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Yes, it is strange that he suggests 33 in the hj when it loses money at that position, and he loses money with it.

Start with 33 on the button and increase pair value by one for each place you move away from the button. This would make the minimum 66 for UTG in a six max.

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how do you know what hands I win/lose with? are you assuming the stats in WITHG are mine?

33 certainly close - its a tweener for sure, and with 3 solid players left to act I think a fold is fine, or a fold is fine anyways, 44 I def. like as an open raise in the HJ.

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emerson 10-04-2007 09:29 PM

Re: another Schneids question
 
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I just blindly follow stoxtrader's suggested ranges for every pos. He suggests 55 utg and 33 hj fwiw

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Yes, it is strange that he suggests 33 in the hj when it loses money at that position, and he loses money with it.

Start with 33 on the button and increase pair value by one for each place you move away from the button. This would make the minimum 66 for UTG in a six max.

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how do you know what hands I win/lose with? are you assuming the stats in WITHG are mine?

33 certainly close - its a tweener for sure, and with 3 solid players left to act I think a fold is fine, or a fold is fine anyways, 44 I def. like as an open raise in the HJ.

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Actually, I did assume the stats in the book were yours. I apologize if my assumption was incorrect.

danzasmack 10-05-2007 10:41 AM

Re: another Schneids question
 
i thought the high limits were stox and mid limits were zobags.

this is not true?

mattnxtc 10-05-2007 11:54 AM

Re: another Schneids question
 
I may be wrong but I think in the book thread he said none of the stats were his??


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