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HermannTL 10-04-2007 12:43 AM

KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.07.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, SB calls $0.04 (All-In).

Turn: (5.10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (5.10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 10.10 BB



I'd like some feedback, please. On the turn I tried to get cute and checked hoping to raise. I had some reason to think that I'd get a bet from CO, a 46% VP$IP player who I once saw PFR with 54o and then took that hand to showdown. His PFR is about 19 but that doesn't carry over to his post-flop aggression which is low (0.5) so maybe I was foolish to hope to draw a turn bet after my flop bet.

Xylocain 10-04-2007 12:47 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
why in teh world would you go for a c/r on the turn??? What hand do you think bets short of a bluff and what do you think happens if you c/r a bluff? and on that drawy board... and if CO bets what do you think happens to people in the middle????

MEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIc!!

Point Blank 10-04-2007 01:00 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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why in teh world would you go for a c/r on the turn??? What hand do you think bets short of a bluff and what do you think happens if you c/r a bluff? and on that drawy board... and if CO bets what do you think happens to people in the middle????

MEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIc!!

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I like JAM ...

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I R BABOON 10-04-2007 01:10 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
I only play 6-max but I'll give this a try.

Raise pre-flop.
Flop as played.
Turn bet out and see what happens. If I get raised I think it could mean either someone hit trips or perhaps has a weak queen and now thinks his 2 pair is good. Against a passive player I'd fold. If we only get called I think we're in good shape and I lead out on the river as well.

As played on the river CO can have something like A2,44,67 maybe even 56. I'm not sure what to do here and would probably call.

Fadook 10-04-2007 03:51 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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I only play 6-max but I'll give this a try.

Raise pre-flop.

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Raising pre-flop after 4 players already in is bad even if this was 6-max. Let's not bloat the pot in bad position with an offsuit hand.

kerowo 10-04-2007 08:47 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
Raising PF can't be to bad, if I was on the button with this I'd raise it.

Turn is just stupid.

DBSpecial 10-04-2007 08:52 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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Raising PF can't be to bad, if I was on the button with this I'd raise it.


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LDO, but not in BB.

DBSpecial 10-04-2007 08:54 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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that doesn't carry over to his post-flop aggression which is low (0.5)

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So you tried to c/r him anyway? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

kerowo 10-04-2007 09:02 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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Raising PF can't be to bad, if I was on the button with this I'd raise it.


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LDO, but not in BB.

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Meh. At some point you're going to learn to play OOP and KQo isn't a bad hand to start with. You probably aren't going to be reverse dominated if you pair because it wasn't raised pre-flop. You probably aren't going to be pushed off a winner because it wasn't raised in front of you. If an A hits and you get callers to your c-bet it gets interesting but not that interesting. I'm raising this probably 60/40 in the blinds.

KitCloudkicker 10-04-2007 11:19 AM

Re: KQo in BB catches Queen
 
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Let's not bloat the pot in bad position with an offsuit hand.

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bloating the pot with offsuit hands preflop is more problematic when you have position, not when you're OOP.


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