50% of folding is discipline
 

Hi everyone,

Discipline is the key to poker. The main areas for the novice to focus on are not overplaying AK, timing tells and making sure your fancy plays are consistent with your metagame. I tell my students all the time: Discipline is like carrying figs for a baby over a mountain. Here is a hand of which I am not particularly proud, but maybe you can learn from my mistakes.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $441.60
BB: $994.00
UTG: $435.70
MP: $412.00
CO: $713.50
Hero (BTN): $400.00

<font color="blue">Well, I'm not doing very well at this table after about half an hour of play. I've gotten stacked more times than I can count after my draws keep missing. And to top off this debacle, I accidentally rebought full after getting stacked on the previous hand. One of the reasons I really should leave is that I am not the best player at the table.

MP is an excellent player who I've been trying to avoid. Any time someone is laggier than you are, it's a good idea to leave the table. MP is running at 72/10/2 and is giving me fits. I'm mainly staying around for the other 4 players who are typical nits running at 22/18/4. So, at the time I though it a good idea to stick around a few more orbits and see if I can outplay the nits postflop. But, I end up in a big hand with the good player.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $24.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00.

<font color="blue">OK, a little explanation is due here because this is unconventional and tricky. The first raise looks like a minraise, but it's not! A minraise would actually be to $12. By doubling his raise amount I hopefully deceive him into thinking I just minraised for isolation and I eke out some extra value.

After he 4-bets me, I have to put on the brakes. NLHE is a postflop game. What if the flop comes all hearts? That would be bad for me. So let's see a flop before committing any more chips. </font>

Flop: ($54) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $200.00</font>, MP calls $190.00.

<font color="blue">That's a decent flop for our hand. The novice player almost always calls or raises smaller here. This is likely a leak. When he bets out, I put him on QTo. So, I want to put out a bluff-sized raise inducing him to push. He just calls, so I don't think he has QTo any more. Good players throw me off my game and that effects my hand reading skills. </font>

Turn: ($454) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $80</font>, MP calls $80.

<font color="blue">I throw out a blocker on the turn looking to get a free showdown. When a good player check calls the turn in a huge pot, this is a classic trap spot. I Mask with an Under Turn Bet. He calls. We need to be very aware of our image and our metagame here to make a good river decision. </font>

River: ($614) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">MP bets $20.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $45.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $108.00 (all-in)</font>, Hero folds.

<font color="blue">Well, that's the worst card in the deck for us. It turned our 2nd nuts into the 3rd nuts. MP makes a deceptive bet on the river. Is he just trying to get to showdown or is he trying to induce action? I raise to find out. I think this is a standard raise for info spot.

He pushes and now my hand is likely mush on the end. Most amateurs say, I got AA, I got a full house. But, on that board, given that action, given our reads, given MP is an advanced player, given our metagame, given we've played our hand face up...a disciplined player will fold on the end. </font>

MP didn't show but I'm sure he had quads or the straight flush on the end enough for a fold here to be +EV. I really should have called his $20 river bet to get to showdown but good players will fluster you into making mistakes. I should have left the table before this hand even happened and I consider that a lesson learned.

That's all for now and we'll see you at the tables.

joy

Re: 50% of folding is discipline
 

Awesome.

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Discipline is like carrying figs for a baby over a mountain.

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Exactly what I've felt all along. I just didn't know how to put it into words

Re: 50% of folding is discipline
 

basically all you beat is a bluff

nice fold

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[x] Hero accidentally bought in full

Re: 50% of folding is discipline
 

arg i know this is a joke but that fold stil tilts me...!!!

Re: 50% of folding is discipline
 

great read to bad you just found out on the river you where beat, but i totally get the point your trying to make here.

"when you know you are beat find the discipline to fold"

i still find myself having trouble folding a hand like this to a 60$ bet with 650$ in the pot.
How did you make it to the level of metagame to just be so confident of your read you can make a worldclass laydown like this?

A fold like this deserves great respect Joy!!!

Re: 50% of folding is discipline
 

damn, hellmuth couldn't even lay that down.

Re: 50% of folding is discipline
 

This is OBV. a Joke.

How could he have a straight flush? He re raised.

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Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)

<font color="blue"> Let's see a flop before committing any more chips. </font>


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Nice.