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PugsMcGee 10-02-2007 03:33 PM

Horrible Play?
 
Was this just a horrible play by me?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($102.35)
Hero ($52.15)
CO ($19.15)
Button ($68.40)
SB ($57.65)
BB ($48.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9.5</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $7, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($24.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $15.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $43.15 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $24.45 (All-In).

Turn: ($104.40) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($104.40) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $104.40

BrunoThePug 10-02-2007 03:38 PM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
Pre-flop sucks. I think if you're going to be in the pot you need to 3-bet UTG (depending on how they play) and even if you call I think you're behind BB's 4-bet range.

I also don't like the flop. If we say villains 4-bet range at the very least includes AA - JJ and AKs you're behind. You've got the BD flush draw but the A, Q, J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] are all in villains range so you're flush outs probably aren't as nice as you'd expect.

On the flop it looks like you're getting yourself committed to a hand that doesn't deserve commitment. Unless you have some specific read on BB I don't see how you're ahead of much of his range.

kurto 10-02-2007 03:48 PM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
Yes. Pretty Horrible.

(1) You're likely behind preflop and aren't likely going to have the implied odds to play for setvalue. Probably better off just folding.

(2) Considering the potsize, I don't think your bluff is likely to force many folds at all. You're not ahead of the vast majority of his range. And there's a reasonable chance that your flush outs aren't good.

I hate it.

wslee00 10-02-2007 03:50 PM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
please fold pf to the 3-bet.

matt85 10-02-2007 03:51 PM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
Mega spew IMO.

Logun 10-02-2007 03:55 PM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
I don't like it - PF or post

PF - I think you are WAY behind his range. I don't think I've ever seen a blind squeeze 4players - meaning they have a hand
JJ/QQ/KK/AA and maybe AK. You are ahead of AK. Therefore you are set mining but BB stack doesn't really offer you proper odds to do so. You litterally need to felt him to get proper odds.

Post flop ahhh well now AK is beating you too

n4rf 10-02-2007 04:37 PM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
Yeah this was pretty bad. What is your motivation behind pushing all in on the flop when you know that BB has a pretty big hand... The only thing you can beat is a continuation bet that missed the flop. It is HIGHLY unlikely that he missed the flop since I assume he has QQ+ or AK too.

I really don't think you considered what villain had, you just thought 2 9's were good and you were drawing to a crap draw.

Preflop is bad too, that bet is way too big to be calling with 99 with your stack. It's not going to pay off unless you know that villain will pay you off if you hit a set (which he probably would have, but it's too much of a risk with a $9 raise).

wporter 10-03-2007 12:08 AM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
definitely not a good play at all. preflop isnt good, but as played you gotta fold the flop.

corsakh 10-03-2007 01:14 AM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
[x] lol'ed

PugsMcGee 10-03-2007 01:36 AM

Re: Horrible Play?
 
Honestly I thought that he had KK or QQ and tried to push me out of the pot. Just took a chance and apparently lost lol.


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