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Ironic 10-01-2007 06:50 PM

NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($62.70)
MP3 ($16.35)
CO ($20.80)
Hero ($24.50)
SB ($39.75)
BB ($15)
UTG ($26.05)
UTG+1 ($21.90)
MP1 ($29.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1.75, MP2 calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $1.75</font>, MP2 calls $1.75, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, MP1 calls $3.25, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($18.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $22.4 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $-4.30
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No stats on villains. Do I call this all in or fold?

If I was to use a time machine to go back and play this hand again, what kind of line should I be taking here? Am I way off in my re-raise on the flop? I didn't want to re-raise too much since I figured the only hands that would call a massive re-raise would be hands that have me beat against an average villain.

It's been a while since I posted a hand here. Lately I have been running super hot, I have been beating NL25 for a tonne. Today it all came crashing down though, with three sets vs oversets, AA and KK cracked (we've all been there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) and a few hands like above where I am lost. I'm still showing a good profit but I would love to know how to play hands like above better. In retrospect I guess it seems so obvious to re-raise more on the flop but is that *really* the best way to play it?

Steelerman 10-01-2007 07:22 PM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
To start, I 3-bet bigger preflop. I make it $2.50 at a minimum, maybe closer to $3 since we still have MP1 to act.

You're not actually re-raising on the flop, just raising. That is some kind of draw heavy board so I think you need to raise much more. As played, good fold.

Chargers In 07 10-01-2007 07:25 PM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
[ QUOTE ]
To start, I 3-bet bigger preflop. I make it $2.50 at a minimum, maybe closer to $3 since we still have MP1 to act.

You're not actually re-raising on the flop, just raising. That is some kind of draw heavy board so I think you need to raise much more. As played, good fold.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree, flop should be at least $8.

Mike Kelley 10-01-2007 07:35 PM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
Reraise to 3.00-3.50 Preflop

Raise the pot on the flop

Fold the turn as played.

Fiasco 10-01-2007 07:53 PM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
I agree that you should raise more preflop.

I think Im actually OK with the raise size on the flop, yes it could be bigger, but I like your thinking in determining your raise size.

Turn is an easy fold.


Overall Id say you played this hand OK.

swainy 10-02-2007 08:01 AM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
i would have raised the flop to at least $8 or $9

turn is a good fold

Ironic 10-02-2007 08:42 AM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. Much appreciated.

Larude 10-02-2007 11:24 AM

Re: NL25 - My worst fear realised. Overpair facing allin.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I agree that you should raise more preflop.

I think Im actually OK with the raise size on the flop, yes it could be bigger, but I like your thinking in determining your raise size.

Turn is an easy fold.


Overall Id say you played this hand OK.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't agree with this preflop his raise should be bigger, this is more of a potsweetener (around 3,00). Flopraise should be bigger, I understand the fact that he doesn't want to fold out hands he beats, but if he makes a decent sized raise those hand will still come along and what is more he really has to charge draws IMHO. Turnfold looks good to me...


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