(razz) Cash game quiz
 

Ok studders, time for a razz mini-quiz. Here are four hands played on Stars recently, and your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to determine what mistakes (if any) the hero makes in each hand. This message will go on monkey tilt and self-destruct in 5 seconds...

<u>Hand 1:</u>
Razz ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (2.90 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

Total pot: (2.90 SB)

<u>Hand 2:</u>
Razz ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.50 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises

4th Street - (4.80 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (3.40 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street - (7.40 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

Total pot: (7.40 BB)

<u>Hand 3:</u>
Razz ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (4.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street - (6.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

River - (8.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (8.35 BB)

<u>Hand 4:</u>
Razz ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises

4th Street - (5.00 SB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (3.50 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (5.50 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

River - (7.50 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (9.50 BB)

Re: (razz) Cash game quiz
 

I hope these aren't real hands. They're all played very badly?

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My off the cuff opinions.

Hand 1:
If you think he's stealing, raise, otherwise fold.

Hand 2:
I think it's a mistake to bet 4th and 5th. You are only slightly ahead at best, and your opponent has position on you, for the whole hand unless you brick even worse. Folding 6th might actually be a mistake. He has a mandatory bet but a good chance of having paired.

Hand 3:
Calling 3rd is a mistake, I think. Your pot odds are appealing but you have to outdraw the whole world. When they all hit on 4th, calling again, well I don't know. I'd have to do some math to see how badly off you are. The worst part is that you can get raised behind. [Edit: if the hand went down the other way and you started with 3 good ones and bricked 4th, do you call 2nd to act? I don't think I would). You're getting 6:2 to call but it may end up being another 1 or 2 back to you in a second and you could be much worse off than a 6:1 dog.

Hand 4: I don't like to call 5th potentially drawing dead. If I already have a made 8 here I'll call for the times he's paired. But here, even if he's paired, you're a 2:1 dog. If he's not, you're a NINE to 1 dog even if he has something awful like 87 in the hole. On average I think you're a 5:1 dog here and you aren't getting that from the pot (you're only getting like 6.5:3 to call all the way down, or 5.5:2 to call see 7th)

Re: (razz) Cash game quiz
 

Hand 1 - Fold 3rd. Calling a raise with your 10 showing? tsk tsk If you're going to gamble don't show weakness.

Hand 2 - Why reraise 3rd? all the weak hands except for the bringin have folded. Check 4th. Fold 5th.

Hand 3 - No need to defend your bringin if the pot is not huge. A lot of your hand is dead already too.

Hand 4 - I hope you're stealing here. I know SOP says to try if there are 2 low ones behind and your hand is live, but I don't get very attached to a rough 7. Fold 5th.

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Hand 1: If you think he's stealing, raise, otherwise fold.

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Rusty, how often do you see a steal from UTG?

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Hand 1: If you think he's stealing, raise, otherwise fold.

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Rusty, how often do you see a steal from UTG?



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A lot, if there is only one other low card out. It might be a semi steal with something like a 9 or T down.

Re: (razz) Cash game quiz
 

Hand 1: fold 3rd, fold on 4th fine (you aren't playing stud)
Hand 2: call 3rd, check 4th, check 5th, fold on 6th fine (don't be so aggresive OOP)
Hand 3: fold 3rd, fold 4th, fold on 5th fine, (going up hill against a crowd with lotsa dead cards)
Hand 4: 3rd fine, 4th fine, 5th fine, 6th fine, 7th fine (hopin' hard that Ace paired them since the 6 probably didn't, I was pretty live early and then the pot got too big, and I'm not gonna take it anymore)

14 total actions evaluated, let me guess, I got 4 or maybe 5 correct for a grade of D-.

Patty

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And I think the rough 7 is great in hand four, 3 of his pair outs are dead and only one other low card is dead. He's only a 52:48 dog against 3 wheel cards!

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On hand 4, the call on 5th is only correct if he has one pair 100% of the time, and even then, it's close.

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Surprised everyone is saying to just call the raise in hand 2 (245). Isn't this a clear value raise vs. a 6 upcard?

Even if he is perfect in the hole we still win over 50% of the time at showdown, albeit VERY slightly. Factor in the fact that the game is 5 handed and he could be a lot worse than perfect in the hole and raising seems pretty comfortably correct there.

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Fold third, call third, fold third, fold fifth.