50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

Totally stuck with this hand. viilain is 19/12/2.25 over 200 hands.
Cant decide whether I am playing my QQ for value or to hit a set. Is the flop reraise or fold. when i call the turn am I commited to call the river. I totally messed it up but still not quite sure what the best alternative is. I think I am tempted with 4 bet preflop and fold to a push. All suggestions welcome


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6 players, seat 8 is the button

Seat 1: BB ($20.90)
Seat 3: <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> ($48.50)
Seat 5: UTG+1 ($85.10)
Seat 6: CO ($47.77)
Seat 8: BTN ($56.10)
Seat 10: SB ($28.05)

SB posts small blind, $0.25
BB posts big blind, $0.50

Dealing to <font color="#C80000">Hero</font>:
Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> raises to $2
UTG+1 folds
CO folds
BTN raises to $6
SB folds
BB folds
<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> calls

Dealing flop: (Pot is $12.75)
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<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> checks
BTN bets $7
<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> calls

Dealing turn: (Pot is $26.75)
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<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> checks
BTN bets $12
<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> calls

Dealing river: (Pot is $50.75)
9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> checks
BTN is all-in $31.1

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Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

Re raise preflop.

As played you cant check call this down. If your going to call flop and turn bets your better getting it all in somewhere. However this looks like it might be AA or KK to me. Re raise preflop would of given more information.

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

I would have a really hard time not c/ring AI on that turn. If your willing to get all your chips in, find a way to do it on the turn. If not, then fold the river. I don't really hate either line.

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

The problem is that - in general - if a villain calls your PF reraise, and checks the flop to you, you bet with a wide range. If he calls that and then checks the turn, you still might bet, because the villain has shown nothing but weakness.

This is exactly the situation your opponent is seeing. Since you never put him to a real decision, you can't learn anything about his hand. He could have AT and be betting, he could have 99 but figure that you likely missed the ten with your overs. He could have a lower two pair than you, hell he could have anything.

Since the size of bets goes up and up as you progress through a hand, it is profitable to bet early in a way that helps you play the later streets closer to perfectly. What I'd like to see is either a check-raise if you check the flop, or at least lead out on the turn. If he calls your check-raise, be weary. If you instead c/c the flop, and he calls your bet on the turn, perhaps put up a blocking bet on the river and try to get to showdown cheaply. If at any point during any of those lines he raises you, I think you can correctly throw your Queens away.

btw, I feel he bet's and calls a flop check-raise with any overpair to the board or any Ten. If you make this play, and assign him to the above range, after the turn your hand gets a lot easier - Instafold. It'd cost you maybe $15 extra (above the $7 that you called as played) on the flop to make the check-raise, but you could have saved what you called down on later streets anyway, which was more than another $15.

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

solid post ev slave...well worded and great advice...nh

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

good advice. cheers guys

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

The way you played it is much better than the advice you're being given.

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

4b PF all day long.
As played I check raise the flop.

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

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The way you played it is much better than the advice you're being given.

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lol. now i couldn't be more confused

Re: 50NL 6max. QQ totaly butchered on all streets
 

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The way you played it is much better than the advice you're being given.

[/ QUOTE ] id agree with this. If you raise the flop planning on folding after he calls or raises then your just raising as a bluff. In that theory you only get more money in the pot with the worst hand. If you 4-bet pf your getting it in anyways too.