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Emperor Norton 09-26-2007 04:08 AM

$16: Common spot with JJ
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1450)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1340)
UTG+1 (t1680)
MP1 (t1610)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Button calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t80</font>, Hero calls t60, Button calls t60.

Flop: (t240) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t240) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100, Button folds.

River: (t440) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, Hero folds.

My thinking on this hand is muddled. The river seems like a clear fold, but I wonder about the flop and turn. Thoughts?

RexWoo 09-26-2007 04:13 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
I like to reraise preflop.

As played, I like a bet on the flop.

As played, I call the tiny river bet getting 5:1.

Emperor Norton 09-26-2007 04:19 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
I usually only three-bet preflop with QQ+ in the early going. It seems like keeping the pot small is just as worthwhile with JJ as with AK, but I'm interested in alternate reasoning. I think a fire-and-forget bet on the flop is probably best. A river call may also be best given the odds, but it must be pretty marginal either way.

Pocketbear 09-26-2007 04:21 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
I'm betting t180 on the flop.

Q.. 09-26-2007 04:22 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
I'd lead 160 on flop, we got position on sb and if he had anything hed probably bet out.

As played i'd raise turn 250+. Hes not supposed to have anything which got help by that turn, and hes just betting since all checked on the flop.

As for the river he probably had that ace so i think fold might be ok, but with 1:5 odds im not sure its better then call, we only have to win it like once a year to break even, it also might give us some information on our player to the right which can't harm ever..

vinva 09-26-2007 10:52 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
I'd also bet t160 or so on the flop and see where that left me.

hoyasnaxa 09-26-2007 10:56 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
bet the flop, then check fold.

willwonka 09-26-2007 11:25 AM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
I also think a reraise prefop is in order. A reraise probably gets rid of Button. I would rather go headsup with JJ. I have to believe that we are ahead SBs range.

I'm also betting on flop.

I always hate it when I potentially lose on river. I think you could have won this put w/o showdown and think that is certainly one of the goals early on.... chipping up, that is.

sbj 09-26-2007 12:15 PM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
This early in a SNG I am usually merely calling a raised pot with JJ. If I played with villian before and know he would (donkishly) raise aggressively here, I would reraise.

Edit: After more thought, I think it's a mistake not to reraise PF. It is highly unlikely you are behind. If SB then pushes, you can then comfortably fold.

Once that flop comes with no K or A and the initial raiser checks, I am betting about 2/3rd the pot.

Having checked the flop, I call the turn bet.

malnek 09-26-2007 12:26 PM

Re: $16: Common spot with JJ
 
calling/raising pre is hugely read dependent imo


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