river decision with missed draw but a pair
 

No specific notes on theese villains.

CO is 23/18/2/40/60 over 350 hands
SB is 35/18/2/40/38 over 170 hands

Full Tilt 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Gurravasa is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Gurravasa raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Gurravasa calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Gurravasa calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, Gurravasa calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Gurravasa checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB calls, Gurravasa calls.

River: (11.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Gurravasa checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB folds, Gurravasa?

Comments on any street, and should I call river?

Re: river decision with missed draw but a pair
 

I can find a fold. Not many draws that CO can be pumping and he fired into 2 players makes this a fold for me.

Re: river decision with missed draw but a pair
 

Seems unlikely he'd 3 barrel every street 3 way. I'd just expect him to take a free card on the turn unless maybe he had K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but then what is the parlay that he follows up on the river?

Re: river decision with missed draw but a pair
 

id fold without much thought when he bets into 2 on the river here. If sb dropped out on the turn that pushes it closer to a call but I still fold. If a fd was off the flop and sb dropped out on the turn its getting tougher but I think I still fold without the read he barrels off w bluffs vs anyone playing passively and raises draws off the flop, even then though when he could have a fd on the flop, and he mite want to try to make u fold a better one there shouldnt be too many small fd's in his cold calling range based on somewhat sane preflop stats and most players dont expect anyone to fold pairs enough to invest a river bet, plus draws ck thru the turn 3 ways pretty often.

rest of hand is standard with the gutshot and pair I think

Re: river decision with missed draw but a pair
 

I pretty much thought the same way as you, but on my way to the foldbutton I hesitated. I think it was that second queen that made me wonder. Could he think that we would fold Jacks or PP:s if he bets and represents trip queens? The pot was decent sized so I decided to follow my instinct and called. He mucked ATo.