27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
25/50 8 handed 1500 effective stacks for all
Table has been quiet relatively quiet with few big pots. BB is tight multitabling regular. UTG raises to 150 Hero has KK in MP2 and raises to 450 Button raises all in for 1500 BB calls all in UTG calls all in Hero? |
Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
wow, this actually could be a fold. congrats for posting something not completely idiotic about folding KK pf [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
Yeah fold is good.. unless you know they all are morons and also BBs hand [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
you can almost call for set value.
i call. you are not against AA 100% of the time. |
Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
I fold because you make a lot of ICM moneys when two people bust out this hand and you are almost always against AA.
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Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
If you hadn't already put in 1/3 of your chips you could talk about folding. I think as is you have to call and hope two of them have QQ and one of them has AK. It is close though, good post.
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Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
I can`t fold here, sry [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Not with t450 already invested.
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Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
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I fold because you make a lot of ICM moneys when two people bust out this hand and you are almost always against AA. [/ QUOTE ] not when you already put in 1/3 of your stack |
Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
Wow i can't believe all the call reply's. When I posted this I figured it was an ez fold and wanted to show people a situation where folding KK pre can be right and to show new players how crazy a hand must be for a KK fold to be correct. Since this is getting mixed reviews I decided to do some ICM calculations and see what came up.
I don't have the exact hand history so I'm going to make some general assumptions. Effective stacks of 1500 for all except one person who doubled up early and has 3000. Assuming you fold and one player scoops the pot (split pot calculations too complicated for me but someone can try) the chip stacks look like... 1050-Hero 3000 1500 1500 1500 4950 assuming a 50/30/20 payout heros equity is $9.23. If hero calls and loses, his equity is 0. If hero calls and wins, chip stacks look like... 6000- Hero 3000 1500 1500 1500 And heros equity is 34.37. Now for calling ranges. I assumed the widest possible ranges for each opponent. UTG and button I assumed JJ+ AK. BB I assumed QQ+. Assuming these ranges, Hero wins 22.2% of the time. EV call = .222 * 34.37 = 7.63 Therefore hero should fold. Note I was not hero in this hand. I will post results if requested. |
Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq
Id call this at 5.5$ game, in other games AA got to be there 96%, and its either QQ or AK other guys, so our set isn't really going to be 2 outs in most cases.
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