TPTK vs. Turn Check Min Raise
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $85.55
BB: $172.75
UTG: $200.00
MP: $198.00
CO: $211.15
Hero (BTN): $352.25

Reads: <font color="blue">villain is 47/10 thru 30 hands. The other hand is the only one we've really played together.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $2.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $8.00

Flop: ($23) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO calls $16.00

Turn: ($55) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $42.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $84.00</font>,



Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $198.00
BB: $190.00
Hero (UTG): $264.35
MP: $93.55
CO: $249.90
BTN: $206.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 4 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($41) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($41) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $10.00</font>, Hero calls $10.00

Pot Size: $61.00 ($2.95 Rake)

BB had T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Tens) and LOST (-$30.00)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON (+$28.05)

Re: TPTK vs. Turn Check Min Raise
 

vs someone dumb, id call and get it in on pretty much any river?

Re: TPTK vs. Turn Check Min Raise
 

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vs someone dumb, id call and get it in on pretty much any river?

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In my experience min c/r by donks with an Ace on board = a hand. I really think you need to fold on the turn here.

I'm not sure if I would be able to fold myself, but looking at this from the outside you are beat here most of the time.

Donks don't seem to mess around in pots with an Ace on the flop. If he had a weaker ace or a draw he would not c/r, and if he was making a play on you, why would he not make the play on the flop?

I think a fold is the most EV play.

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vs someone dumb, id call and get it in on pretty much any river?

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In my experience min c/r by donks with an Ace on board = a hand. I really think you need to fold on the turn here.

I'm not sure if I would be able to fold myself, but looking at this from the outside you are beat here most of the time.

Donks don't seem to mess around in pots with an Ace on the flop. If he had a weaker ace or a draw he would not c/r, and if he was making a play on you, why would he not make the play on the flop?

I think a fold is the most EV play.

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I'm not certain using logic against someone like this is appropriate in general.

Re: TPTK vs. Turn Check Min Raise
 

beluga theorem, turn raise means 1 pair is no good.

I'd still call and re-evaluate river. He might overplay AJ/AQ type of hands.

Re: TPTK vs. Turn Check Min Raise
 

what do you guys do if he bets 1/2 pot on river?

I fold turn here and don't worry about it, he is capable of doing this with a crappier kicker but more often than not I find the turn minraise to be nuts than one piar or draw. I fold and if he shows a worse hand, I think we'll stack him later