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jmitchell42 09-21-2007 12:32 AM

was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
villian is about 32/7/.7 after only lik 21 hand or so.

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.10. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

kerowo 09-21-2007 12:35 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
21 hands isn't a read. What had he done? I can go either way with the river bet but I'd imagine your cooked.

Bulletproof Monk 09-21-2007 12:43 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
this is pretty crazy, what do you think he calls with on the river that you beat?

i fold preflop pretty much always

flop i generally just peel here.... but yeah raising cant be too bad

turn and river are so marginal....

(i definitely dont hate any of this hand)

kerowo 09-21-2007 12:47 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
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this is pretty crazy, what do you think he calls with on the river that you beat?

i fold preflop pretty much always

flop i generally just peel here.... but yeah raising cant be too bad

turn and river are so marginal....

(i definitely dont hate any of this hand)

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Ooh, I didn't see pre-flop, even with two random hands that is hard to call with.

jmitchell42 09-21-2007 12:56 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
yeah, i probably should've folded, but been playing, and folding, for a while and these were the best cards i had. not a good reason to play them i know, but i had a moment of weakness. i was wondering more about the flop, but looking at it, river was a pretty bad bet. damn, i'm on a pretty bad streak. oh well, variance is a bitch.

BigBadBabar 09-21-2007 12:59 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
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Ooh, I didn't see pre-flop, even with two random hands that is hard to call with.

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serious?

Smurph64 09-21-2007 01:02 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
i would check behind on the river.

Bulletproof Monk 09-21-2007 01:05 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
wait what? is that actually accurate? i assumed it was a converter error....

did UTG AND UTG+1 both just post out of turn? if so i definitely call preflop

StrictlyStrategy 09-21-2007 05:27 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
Flop raise is ungood.

River is bad. It isn't the worst river valuebluff ever, but it's pretty bad. You need gangster reads like he's paying off A high when it doesn't make sense and more importantly he'll never fold a pair + he leads with any piece to make this river value bet profitable.

kerowo 09-21-2007 07:31 AM

Re: was villian too passive for me to raise the flop?
 
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Ooh, I didn't see pre-flop, even with two random hands that is hard to call with.

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serious?

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For reals

Last thing I want is to call a raise with this hand so table conditions will come into play, but it's not much of a hand.


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