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Schiester 09-20-2007 09:24 PM

25nl; SS b/3b against TT
 
$0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Villan is 40/16/.83(50). He is SS after I popped him with a better 2p about 10 hands ago. Consequently he's gone all in several times in the last 10 hands. Excluding the possible tilt aspect, I've tried to look at this hand in terms of hand ranges (very new to me).

If I'm to put him on AJ+ and AA-JJ. I have around 47% equity on his range which makes a fold -EV on what is effectively a pot sized raise.

Am I looking at this the right way? What if his stack were twice as tall?


UTG ($6.87)
MP ($30.47)
CO ($4.75)
Button ($28.81)
Hero ($36.83)
BB ($23.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.35.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ????

Edukashun 09-20-2007 09:31 PM

Re: 25nl; SS b/3b against TT
 
I've only just started thinking about hand ranges myself but FWIW I think this range for him is fine.
UTG raises are usually tight but if he's pushed a few times already then AJ+ &amp; AA-JJ might be too conversative. But as you said it's EV+ to call even if this is his range (I've not checked your math but it sounds right).
I'd defo call here.

Edukashun 09-20-2007 09:35 PM

Re: 25nl; SS b/3b against TT
 
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What if his stack were twice as tall?

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Then I suspose it depends whether you think his range would change.

Lego05 09-20-2007 09:44 PM

Re: 25nl; SS b/3b against TT
 
How do you get 47%?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

739,715,328 games 0.005 secs 147,943,065,600 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.289% 56.09% 00.20% 414914508 1462626.00 { JJ+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 43.711% 43.51% 00.20% 321875568 1462626.00 { TT }





Anyway (with 100BB's) at this level I think a 4bet especially one from the UTG player versus a 3bet from the blinds generally has a range more like KK,AA. Maybe QQ-AA,AK at the loosest.


I think this is a very easy fold with 100BB's. Here however he is very short and you are getting like 1.9 to 1 so you can call even against a QQ+,AK range:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

349,310,016 games 0.005 secs 69,862,003,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.587% 63.39% 00.20% 221421192 693396.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 36.413% 36.21% 00.20% 126502032 693396.00 { TT }




So with the stacks as they are easy call.

johnnybeef 09-20-2007 10:09 PM

Re: 25nl; SS b/3b against TT
 
I've seen guys go with Q7 here. Easy call, chalk it up to bbv this time.


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