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mbman 09-20-2007 01:59 PM

Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
I have been playing very tight at this table. I have reraised villain's steal once before and he folded.

Villain seems to me a good multitabling TAG running at 18/16/3.

On the flop, he could be floating me or have me beat (unlikely) I think. I guess he would shove a flushdraw, so I think I am either dead or way ahead on the turn, so I opt to check to let villain bluff if he has air.

Villain does not obey, and then I am rewarded with this river...what to do?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $41.80
Hero (BB): $97.95
UTG: $119.90
CO: $52.75
BTN: $61.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.75</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO calls $5.25, SB folds

Flop: ($15.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, CO calls $10.00

Turn: ($35.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($35.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero.....

InVogue 09-20-2007 02:02 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
checks...

Rythm 09-20-2007 04:20 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
I don't see him ever having you beat here if your read is right. How light do you think that he thinks you're 3betting him PF here? If he thinks you have air here a lot you can probably shove and make it look like you're trying to represent an ace. It's a bit of a longshot, but I have a hard time seeing him bet a hand he'd take this line with for value when checked to. Another option might be to make a scared-looking bet hoping that he'll either try to bluff you out or call down because he can't resist the odds. This stuff is really read dependent, but I think the key is that he's unlikely to have you beat and probably unlikely to have a hand that he'll bet as well. With this in mind I have a hard time seeing how a check is good, so just use whatever image you have to figure out what bet size is best. My guess is that it'll probably end up being a shove because it looks like he checked behind with a hand like TT to let you bluff the river. Given the stack sizes, any other bet looks a lot less bluffy than just pushing your stack in.

NL Newbie 09-20-2007 04:24 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
Block(bet/fold) or check and call a small bet(Not a big bet).

I think TT/JJ may try bluff you here. I dont think A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is in his range.

its tough.

sholler 09-20-2007 04:35 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
If your read is right then he probably checks it down, but check/calling and picking off a TT or JJ turned into a bluff makes sense.

Hail Eris 09-20-2007 04:38 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
Man I can't imagine how you're ever beat here, but it's hard to think of a line that gets value on this river. I guess I bet if I've been 3betting him a lot or c/c if I haven't.

xeanatic 09-20-2007 04:39 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
I think you can valuebet this river, don't think he is still around with AK/AQ here.

Also I don't like crai on turn here because the board is to drawy and we don't want villian taking a free card here.

So I think the best play here is to just shove the turn

Rythm 09-20-2007 04:40 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
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Block(bet/fold) or check and call a small bet(Not a big bet).


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Why do you want to bet/fold here? Personally I think part of the reason for betting smaller is to induce a bad bluff.

QuadLaser 09-20-2007 04:40 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
Bet the most you would call on the river, and fold to a raise. Say 50% of pot.

Logun 09-20-2007 04:41 PM

Re: Attemp to CRAI gone wrong...
 
you can't really get value out of a hand you beat on the river. so I would throw up a blocker bet for the AXdd hands and b/f


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