Correct to fold here?
 

PokerStars Game #12109683425: Tournament #61452481, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/17 - 12:47:51 (ET)
Table '61452481 14' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dussel65 (3255 in chips)
Seat 2: RJA8719 (1785 in chips)
Seat 3: leo5410 (6775 in chips)
Seat 4: hb_slag (4275 in chips)
Seat 5: jokerpoker23 (1442 in chips)
Seat 6: Longbons (2270 in chips)
Seat 7: zhukvlad (2518 in chips)
Seat 8: mnb_the_mnb (7620 in chips)
Seat 9: Cini24 (1000 in chips)
RJA8719: posts small blind 25
leo5410: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RJA8719 [Jd Js]
hb_slag: folds
jokerpoker23: folds
Longbons: folds
zhukvlad: calls 50
mnb_the_mnb: folds
Cini24: folds
dussel65: calls 50
RJA8719: raises 200 to 250
leo5410: calls 200
zhukvlad: raises 800 to 1050
dussel65: folds

Re: Correct to fold here?
 

I think its a pretty close call either way. In a 4$, I would be inclined to just push here, and expect to see AKo or even AQs or TT/99 often enough that this is just fine.

If we know this guy is a nit, yeah we can fold Jacks with these stack sizes, and if I have history with him and know he 3 bets with top 3% or less, then yeah, we can muck here, especially in a much higher buyin. At 4$, this could even be 33 for petes sake, unless we know hes a winner.

Im generally on the felt with under 40bb in my preflop stack a hand like JJ, in a low buyin.

having a caller of our raise behind us yet to act complicates matters. Doing the math is very hard here...

Lets say we had raised and we are now last to act on this push. Even if we know he is raising top 3%, we are going to have odds to push here. He needs to be tighter than that on his 3bet to fold.

The flat caller could still have speculative garbage. He could have an underpair to our jacks and think if we call that he should go along for the ride. Much more likely he sees an overpush and he realizes he is in way over his head unless he has QQ+.

This much overlay, this low of a buyin, I really think a push is the right play here.

Re: Correct to fold here?
 

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars Game #12109683425: Tournament #61452481, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/17 - 12:47:51 (ET)
Table '61452481 14' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dussel65 (3255 in chips)
Seat 2: RJA8719 (1785 in chips)
Seat 3: leo5410 (6775 in chips)
Seat 4: hb_slag (4275 in chips)
Seat 5: jokerpoker23 (1442 in chips)
Seat 6: Longbons (2270 in chips)
Seat 7: zhukvlad (2518 in chips)
Seat 8: mnb_the_mnb (7620 in chips)
Seat 9: Cini24 (1000 in chips)
RJA8719: posts small blind 25
leo5410: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RJA8719 [Jd Js]
hb_slag: folds
jokerpoker23: folds
Longbons: folds
zhukvlad: calls 50
mnb_the_mnb: folds
Cini24: folds
dussel65: calls 50
RJA8719: raises 200 to 250
leo5410: calls 200
zhukvlad: raises 800 to 1050
dussel65: folds

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I would make it 350-400 pre from the SB. I also think that his range includes more than AA;KK, but it's always scary when someone 3-bets ~1/2 their stack.

Re: Correct to fold here?
 

Yea, it's scary, but by god these limps so often mean something totally whacky and without reads you have to push here. This could be:

1. AA/KK/QQ trapping.
2. Ad5d thinking it's an awesome hand by a tricky 17 year old high school champion chessplayer who decided to put $50 into an online site for the first time.
3. 33 - 99 deciding that after months of struggle with no success, it's time to resort to clever play as that is how you win MTTs.
4. 78o interpreting your bet as a steal attempt.

Barry