TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

Villain is new to table, has raised once in four hands and won without showing.

UTG (2380 in chips)
UTG+1 (4002 in chips)
MP1 (8535 in chips)
MP2 (4650 in chips)
HJ (2465 in chips)
CO (2170 in chips)
Hero (2417 in chips)
SB (4945 in chips)
BB (10966 in chips)

Blinds 100/200/25, Hero is OTB with TT.

UTG raises 400 to 600, five folds, Hero?

Is this a tricky spot? On the one hand, I have a UTG raiser with absolutely no read. On the other hand, both Hero and Villain are short stacked. So my question is, how much credit to give the fact that raiser is UTG compared to the fact that he is short stacked?

Edit: After stoving it against what the pushbot table says he should be pushing, it looks like a no-brainer, although I don't have time to think through and stove in the heat of the moment.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.753% 40.16% 00.60% 581726880 8628936.00 { 44+, A7s+, A9o+ }
Hand 1: 59.247% 58.65% 00.60% 849624432 8628936.00 { TT }

Edit again: But then again, does the fact that he is raising rather than pushing mean that I should be worried that he is actively looking for action (i.e. JJ+, AK)??? Maybe this is a tricky spot after all????

I hate this game.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

I'd push and pray.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

Where is this "pushbot" table that you speak of, Cheb?

Could be anything - inexperienced 99 that doesn't have the heart to push, AA, KQ that will fold, who knows. Treat stuff like this as you would treat a push. I would be more afraid (but probably still would push) if the raise was to 400 or something like that. But, with TT, I mean, no brainer, push.

Barry

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

The spot sucks, you can never go wrong by shoving pf. Villain could be a moron and is raising something like kq, or he's a good player with a monster and doesn't want to push and scare away any action. I'd like calling pf if the blinds are pretty tight. If you shove villain gets to play almost perfectly. He's folding everything that's beat except maybe 99-88 and calling everything that beats you or is racing JJ+, AJ+. If I call pf and an overcard that isn't an A hits, I'm getting it in.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

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Villain is new to table, has raised once in four hands and won without showing.

Edit again: But then again, does the fact that he is raising rather than pushing mean that I should be worried that he is actively looking for action (i.e. JJ+, AK)??? Maybe this is a tricky spot after all????

I hate this game.

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You don't mention the buy in, but in really low buy in MTT's, red zone players will limp, min-raise, and raise 2/3 of their stack only to fold to action later. So, you can't assume that he's trying to induce action. He might just want to be able to fold later, even though that makes no sense to you or me. I push here, and expect to be up against 88+, AQo+ generally if called.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

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Where is this "pushbot" table that you speak of, Cheb?

Could be anything - inexperienced 99 that doesn't have the heart to push, AA, KQ that will fold, who knows. Treat stuff like this as you would treat a push. I would be more afraid (but probably still would push) if the raise was to 400 or something like that. But, with TT, I mean, no brainer, push.

Barry

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Hi Barry,

I'm way to old to know how to post a link, so you can either PM me a normal e-mail address and I'll send you an excel sheet, or you can google "pushbot table"--it's about the 3rd or 4th link.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

Instashove.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

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Villain is new to table, has raised once in four hands and won without showing.

UTG (2380 in chips)
UTG+1 (4002 in chips)
MP1 (8535 in chips)
MP2 (4650 in chips)
HJ (2465 in chips)
CO (2170 in chips)
Hero (2417 in chips)
SB (4945 in chips)
BB (10966 in chips)

Blinds 100/200/25, Hero is OTB with TT.

UTG raises 400 to 600, five folds, Hero?

Is this a tricky spot? On the one hand, I have a UTG raiser with absolutely no read. On the other hand, both Hero and Villain are short stacked. So my question is, how much credit to give the fact that raiser is UTG compared to the fact that he is short stacked?

Edit: After stoving it against what the pushbot table says he should be pushing, it looks like a no-brainer, although I don't have time to think through and stove in the heat of the moment.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.753% 40.16% 00.60% 581726880 8628936.00 { 44+, A7s+, A9o+ }
Hand 1: 59.247% 58.65% 00.60% 849624432 8628936.00 { TT }

Edit again: But then again, does the fact that he is raising rather than pushing mean that I should be worried that he is actively looking for action (i.e. JJ+, AK)??? Maybe this is a tricky spot after all????

I hate this game.

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Yeah...i think the pushbot range is way too wide here (pushbot range may be more accurate/applicable if he had < 9BBs)...it does make a big diff IMO if he raised 3x or pushed from UTG. You're 48% against a range of: 88+;AJs+;KQs;AQo+...with 500 dead money in the pot...i think this is too good to fold...shove.

What tourney was this from? Stars doesn't have this level anymore [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

like 10's have never cracked anyone's QQ before??? sometimes i think that internet poker is about taking a position play and exploiting it to the max. in a similar situation i pushed 99 the other day and ran into QQ and AK and preflop i think "if this is the worst hand, i'm sucking out"...

the guy 3 bumped EP i pushed BB repushed and EP called. i rivered the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

9/9 is my birthday, so i always try to stack off w/ it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] most of the time tho, gretzky comes thru for me.

Re: TT facing UTG raiser--Hero and Villain both in the red zone
 

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, you can never go wrong by shoving pf.

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well..... i disagree there... you may just end up being the CDU-fairy