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AlexB182 09-14-2007 08:33 AM

NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
Villain is 36/12/0.9 over 76 hands, rather laggish. Does not seem to be a really good player. I'm running pretty aggro at that table, about 26/18 so far...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($53.75)
UTG+1 ($48.25)
MP1 ($56)
Hero ($65)
MP3 ($19.25)
CO ($75.10)
Button ($196.70)
SB ($9.50)
BB ($41.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, UTG calls $4.50.

Turn: ($14.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, UTG calls $8.

River: ($30.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $38.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero ?

Comments?

So, JJ one more time: villain here is 32/4/0.36 over 90 hands and kind of shortstacking obviously. I'm running at 20/14 so far, but didn't hit the flops so far, so I've been seen CB a few times but had to stop then mostly...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($18.50)
MP3 ($100)
Hero ($100.80)
Button ($102.70)
SB ($100)
BB ($59.60)
UTG ($32.60)
UTG+1 ($140.75)
MP1 ($119.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG (poster) calls $4, MP1 calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, UTG calls $11, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($37.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $16.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero ?

Again, comments very welcome!

Klompy 09-14-2007 09:35 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
I'd fold river in hand 1, and I'd check the flop in hand 2

ranka 09-14-2007 10:22 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
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I'd fold river in hand 1, and I'd check the flop in hand 2

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I agreed - fold first one. But second, why check?

BJJIII 09-14-2007 11:00 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
Fold both IMO

I'mVeryBusy 09-14-2007 11:16 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
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Fold both IMO

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I hate JJ

justscott 09-14-2007 11:19 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
Passive player called you in first one, you may want to check that turn, then you can call cheap river. Second one Call so you can 2out a short stacker and smile inside:)

Klompy 09-14-2007 11:31 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
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But second, why check?

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It's 5 way and no worse hands call. We risk an a,q falling or someone hitting their two outer but IMO it's worth the risk to see what kind of action happens with everyone else and reevaluate on the turn.

PLAYOFFS 09-14-2007 11:43 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
HAND 1:In the first one, I like checking turn. I don't think he's calling your bet with anything worse than top pair. And if he pushed river I still wouldn't call if turn went check check. I'd call a pot bet there. In summation, I'd try to see a cheap showdown.

HAND 2: By betting that flop I think you MUST call that turn. I hate that situation, but I think in the long run you make more by calling in that specific situation.
If you check the flop, you really give the hand away unless it goes check check. But I think even if they hit top pair they'd check it to trap your vbet on the turn. I don't think I'd play HAND 2 differently.

Mike Kelley 09-14-2007 11:52 AM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
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But second, why check?

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It's 5 way and no worse hands call. We risk an a,q falling or someone hitting their two outer but IMO it's worth the risk to see what kind of action happens with everyone else and reevaluate on the turn.

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It's 3 way I think.

seki 09-14-2007 12:07 PM

Re: NL50 & NL100: JJ twice
 
yes, read the action. 3 way flop, hu turn.

I play them both the same, assuming you folded.


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