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Mench 09-11-2007 05:07 AM

Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
Don't have the HH so please bear with me would really like some feedback on this one.

35 left, 27itm, obv I don't care about 27th.

All folds to CO who has 50K, top 5 stack and has been relatively active. Has raised my blind a few times in the past several orbits which might factor in.

He opens to 2300 at 500-1000 125 or 100 ante, whatever FTP has.

I have 8800 in BB, and KJo.

Snapshove?
Snapfold?
Stop and Go?

Looking back I don't know what I think of what I did.

ASPoker8 09-11-2007 05:09 AM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
i stop and go

you dont have FE preflop

shaundeeb 09-11-2007 05:44 AM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
easy easy easy stop and go

Mench 09-11-2007 03:43 PM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
What stack size would you guys say is the bare minimum to push here, 11k ish?

jcm4ccc 09-11-2007 04:36 PM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
[ QUOTE ]
i stop and go

you dont have FE preflop

[/ QUOTE ] If he has a worse hand, do you really want him to fold on the flop? I don't think so (you would be betting 7500 in a pot that has less than that). I think it's much more profitable if he calls. So why give him the opportunity to fold on the flop? He's not folding an ace. He's not folding a pair. Why let him get away on the flop with his 72o that missed?

jcm4ccc 09-11-2007 04:42 PM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
[ QUOTE ]
What stack size would you guys say is the bare minimum to push here, 11k ish?

[/ QUOTE ] The answer to that question is the maximum stack to stop and go, plus one. The way you answer that question is to figure out what the breakeven point is if he folds a worse hand on the flop (the point where it is equally profitable if he folds or calls). My guess is that it is around 6k. Add 1 chip. 6001.

jcm4ccc 09-11-2007 04:59 PM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
What stack size would you guys say is the bare minimum to push here, 11k ish?

[/ QUOTE ] The answer to that question is the maximum stack to stop and go, plus one. The way you answer that question is to figure out what the breakeven point is if he folds a worse hand on the flop (the point where it is equally profitable if he folds or calls). My guess is that it is around 6k. Add 1 chip. 6001.

[/ QUOTE ] If you call, the pot is 6k. A bet of 3000 gives him 3:1 odds to call you, which is about break-even, assuming you have two cards higher than his and the flop missed both of you. So 3000 + 2300 = 5300 (before the blinds).

5299 or less: stop and go
5300: who cares?
5301 or greater: push

Of course, with a bet of 3000 or less, he is never folding. So the stop and go will almost never work with stacks that low and the villain having the big stack. C'est la vie.

the alex 09-11-2007 08:04 PM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
Definite stop n' go. His raise is small enough to where restealing with 10k isn't terrible, but 12k gives him only 3:2 to call so I'd be MUCH more comfortable with 12k

Mench 09-11-2007 08:11 PM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
Does anyone fold this hand here. What about KTo, QJo. What is your range given description of villain?

Mench 09-13-2007 01:45 AM

Re: Resteal Spot in FTP 75, on Bubble, Marginal at Best or Mandatory?
 
okay i suppose the concensus is stop and go.


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