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FreshMeat 09-09-2007 06:41 PM

NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $16.65
BB: $19.90
UTG: $18.25
UTG+1: $16.05
MP1: $23.30
MP2: $27.15
Hero (MP3): $31.25
CO: $21.20
BTN: $47.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.50</font>,

is this ok here? to push? 19/6/1 300

FairyTales 09-09-2007 07:39 PM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
I don't see the point of overbetting the flop, i would have bet 2/3 of the pot or a PSB see if you can take it right now or if you can catch something on the turn.

Split Suit 09-09-2007 07:42 PM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
get ur pf up to ~$4.

i generally take this same line against shortstacks. cuz if ur betting ur calling anyway. and i dont like checking and folding to turn pressure

I'mVeryBusy 09-09-2007 07:55 PM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
I don't know why you are putting him all in here. The only hand that calls you beats you. You can certainly risk less of your stack to get a fold. I would say $6.50 would let you know where you are at. He either folds or calls. If he calls you can check if you don't hit your ak.

ship_it_trebek 09-09-2007 11:52 PM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
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I don't know why you are putting him all in here. The only hand that calls you beats you. You can certainly risk less of your stack to get a fold. I would say $6.50 would let you know where you are at. He either folds or calls. If he calls you can check if you don't hit your ak.

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Bet 6.50 then fold to a 6 dollar raise with undoubtedly live over cards? I'd rather check than do that. The shove is fine against that sized stack.

Larude 09-10-2007 08:44 AM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
I would rather call preflop because his raising range from UTG+1 looks pretty tight to me (around JJ+,AK). With that in mind the flopshove is pretty terrible. JJ+ isn't going to fold, you fold TT (with which he probably wouldn't have raised preflop and AK. But for AK and TT to fold it is enough to bet 5... But if you bet 5 you are priced in if he shoves &gt;&gt;&gt; check behind and hope to get a K or A otherwise fold. I think I don't even mind a muck preflop he is probably not deep enough to make AKo profitable against his range I guess, would like to hear some other opinions about that...

PLAYOFFS 09-10-2007 09:36 AM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
I like a check on the flop or this bet. For one, if you bet 6.5 and then fold, that's a terrible idea. You drop $10.50 on a hand and then fold to 6 more with AK? I like a check because you see a turn, if he leads out for 4+ and you've missed the turn then you can fold easily. Use your position for that free card. I think It's ok to push the flop because it should narrow his calling range a lot. I would personally have checked the flop after him.

ship_it_trebek 09-10-2007 11:36 AM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
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I think I don't even mind a muck preflop he is probably not deep enough to make AKo profitable against his range I guess, would like to hear some other opinions about that...

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I agree the r/r is bad against a villain with this stack size and those stats, but I'm still seeing a flop here.

FreshMeat 09-10-2007 02:56 PM

Re: NL25 AK RR and flop push?
 
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I would rather call preflop because his raising range from UTG+1 looks pretty tight to me (around JJ+,AK). With that in mind the flopshove is pretty terrible. JJ+ isn't going to fold, you fold TT (with which he probably wouldn't have raised preflop and AK. But for AK and TT to fold it is enough to bet 5... But if you bet 5 you are priced in if he shoves &gt;&gt;&gt; check behind and hope to get a K or A otherwise fold. I think I don't even mind a muck preflop he is probably not deep enough to make AKo profitable against his range I guess, would like to hear some other opinions about that...

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but isnt calling bad implied odds. like if i hit underpairs probably wont pay, ill tie every so often. and if i dont hit i just fold and lose monies.

i think the RR pf is still in order, but possibly check flop c/f turn???


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