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mikeJ 09-09-2007 06:24 PM

Help Me Settle an Argument
 
I was arguing w/ a friend about what the correct action is on the flop. Preflop is fine, as the button was extremely passive/bad, limping a lot. BB has been tight, showing down strong holdings. Hero's image is aggro, but not overly so. Hero has been showing down reasonable holdings.

Situation: End of a 2000+ entrant MTT, $11 buy-in (Please excuse the buy-in level)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60000 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t1951993)
Hero (t3404613)
BB (t1378394)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Button calls t60000, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t240000</font>, BB calls t180000, Button folds.

Flop: (t492000) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ?

Bakes 09-09-2007 06:26 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
I bet, gotta give him a chance to semibluff and there are also hands he can float you with.

ASPoker8 09-09-2007 06:42 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
I think this is a bet

Bond18 09-09-2007 06:47 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
[ QUOTE ]
I bet, gotta give him a chance to semibluff and there are also hands he can float you with.

[/ QUOTE ]

djk123 09-09-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
i dont understand how it could be anything but a bet

iggymcfly 09-09-2007 08:09 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
250K sounds good. Looks like a standard C-bet amount and gives villain enough room to try to raise you off the hand.

Edit: That was with the pot-size listed in the converter. Looks like the pot's actually a little bigger so you should probably make it 300K instead.

WarDekar 09-09-2007 08:39 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
Bet about 1/4 of villain's remaining stack so he shoves, you instacall and go BAM

Luisgallo 09-10-2007 04:41 AM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
I don't think you extract much value from betting, at least at this point of the tourney compared to checking.

Villain is tight, he is not floating now, especially vs a huge stack when he knows the third player is bad and he can get second place at least.

Betting might look like a c-bet but Villain will play back only with a flush draw or a K, he might possibly flat call a T but K is a very scary card.

Checking will induce a bluff, will let villain leads with a T or any average holdings.

Hero is afraid of QJ or flush draw but if checked to villain isn't he leading those two? VEry good opportunity to check/raise .

Full ring I bet this 100%, 3 handed I think here flopped a monster and he can slowplay it a bit.

registrar 09-10-2007 04:54 AM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
I'd bet by default but, at this stage, you'll know BB well enough to know whether he's going to check a made hand worse than TP and whether he thinks you're likely just go and going the button with ATC and what he's going to do with a broadway or FD, so check-shoving could easily be the best play.

Kala1928 09-10-2007 12:09 PM

Re: Help Me Settle an Argument
 
well since you flopped the nuts I would propably bet since the flush draw is out there and some cards might make your opponent better nuts and you have so many chips left that you wont get him to commit them all unless you bet


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