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13_Xerxes 09-08-2007 11:19 PM

[NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
Villain is a TAG regular (some people find him good, but I run very well vs him, so I don't know), like 20/16/2.5
That's the first time I play vs him for two or three months (I don't play often the night).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($252.60)
CO ($63.45)
Button ($191)
SB ($303.05)
BB ($43)
UTG ($679.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $26</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $65</font>, Button calls $39.

I 4 bets, because he is OTB and can reraise me light with position, and I don't want to play AK oop, that's suck.
So, he called, he got probably QQ+/AKs (but KK+ more probably).

What is my plan on :
- Kxx,
- Axx,
- AKx,
- Qxx,
- JJx,
- 6xx

Just give up if I don't pair the board or got a big draw (3 spades, for example) ?
Push any flop, regardless ?

sixhigh 09-09-2007 05:41 AM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
I'd probably 4bet a tad more, but maybe this doesn't matter too much. I agree that his range is strongly tilted towards KK+ once he flat calls the bet.
I guess my standard line in spots like these is to check any flop. On flops like Txx you don't have any FE and can just c/f. And if the flop pairs you he will probably still be able to get away from hands you beat, so there's not too much value in betting the flop.

fees 09-09-2007 07:34 AM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
I shove all of them and 4b more

weeee

13_Xerxes 09-09-2007 10:17 AM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
OK, I think the best is just to check-call unimproved vs solid TAG if we don't hit something.

I was lucky, the board was 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and I have shoved. Maybe I got little FE if he has KK red, and if he calls, I have some outs (FD, maybe aces).

hit_me_ok 09-09-2007 10:47 AM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
i'am totally new here.Anybody can tell me what "FE" stand for plz?

yabastid 09-09-2007 11:52 AM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
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i'am totally new here.Anybody can tell me what "FE" stand for plz?

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fold equity

HoldEmNewby 09-09-2007 12:52 PM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I shove all of them and 4b more

weeee

[/ QUOTE ]

do you really see us folding out any better hands or getting value from worse hands on a 6xx board or a JJx board?

HoldEmNewby 09-09-2007 01:04 PM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
I still push but thats because I hate folding.

Veron 09-09-2007 01:36 PM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
I 4bet to like 75 PF and have never seen a player cold-calling my 4bet with those effective stack sizes.

Anyway, I think villain never does this with AK and his range is probably KK+.

I think the best option is to check every flop. Shoving is pretty pointless on missed flops because villain has you crushed AND he's never folding.

hit_me_ok 09-09-2007 01:37 PM

Re: [NL200] AKo 4 bets PF oop, and get called. Std ?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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i'am totally new here.Anybody can tell me what "FE" stand for plz?

[/ QUOTE ]

fold equity

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Thanks


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