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BarryLyndon 09-08-2007 05:26 PM

3-bet for value + some FE
 
Opponent is Jimmy the Hat, who is pretty solid regular who has been reasonable active from late position.

Table has been very tight with respect to raises. In fact, I think I'm the only player who knows what a 3-bet is (honestly, this table was [censored]):

Given my stack, does he do this with KJ/KQ/K10/connectors enough so my push can be done for value? does he ever fold here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #3501541729: $15,000 Guarantee (25996133), Table 35 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:11:39 ET - 2007/09/08
Seat 1: carmelo123 (4,700)
Seat 2: Hero(1,350)
Seat 3: teach69 (5,460)
Seat 4: Aiiikon (3,420)
Seat 5: BeanzMcGriff (4,825)
Seat 6: interboro (5,096)
Seat 7: flat_call (11,861)
Seat 8: kidwhowon (4,010)
Seat 9: JimmytheHat19 (2,860)

Hero [QQ < 66 on a 9 7 4 flop] posts the small blind of 60
teach69 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9s Ah]
Aiiikon folds
BeanzMcGriff folds
interboro folds
flat_call folds
kidwhowon folds
JimmytheHat19 raises to 420
carmelo123 has 15 seconds left to act
carmelo123 folds
Hero raises to 1,350, and is all in

4CardStraight 09-08-2007 05:40 PM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
Well. In general this is an ok play, I would push here to a 360 bet.

I dont 3bet wide against someone that types in "4:20".

First, I dont make plays on that particular bet size. I celebrate 4:20 myself on occasion, and have sometimes bet 420 against known stoners to signify to them that they should really think about things before calling this bet.

Sure there can be some metagame involved, bluffing with a 420 bet etc... but in general, I think 420 bets are more often the goods than not.

4Card

donquay 09-08-2007 05:44 PM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
Does he usually raise to 3.5x the bb?

Either way I would think if he's raising into your sb for that amount, with your stack he's ready to call a shove from you.

BarryLyndon 09-08-2007 05:45 PM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
This is cute, 4card, however:

1. Smokers bet 420,3.5xBB, and actually do think about their hands. I have evidence in my HH. I also have the Lights, so, muahahahaha.

2. actually a serious question.

Thegunshow 09-08-2007 09:56 PM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
definitely wondering about the 3.5x bet size. If it was his common raise then shove away. If not common, then what does it signify? Probably a weakish pocket pair that he doesn want to play preflop, in which case your A9 may be in the race you are happy to see right now. Or if he just isn't comfortable preflop, I've seen people do this with PPs as high as KK. I'd say the answer to our question lies in the significance of the bet size. Remember enough about your vilian to get any read off of the 3.5x raise?

hamnegger 09-08-2007 10:07 PM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
i would want to be a bit stronger.

Bond18 09-08-2007 10:34 PM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
You've rarely got fold equity here, so this is only good if you think you have decent equity counting whats in the pot vs his range.

kurtkatt 09-09-2007 09:32 AM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
there is a betpot btn on ftp, potbet would be 420, or am i being leveled...


against an aggro lp raiser i would get it in here

Acein8ter 09-09-2007 10:03 AM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
A9 is easily dominated... I wouldn't be pushing here

HojoMofo 09-09-2007 10:51 AM

Re: 3-bet for value + some FE
 
no fold equity+solid reg = fold in my books, he might be raising with KQ-KJ, but the blinds arent big enough for him to be raising with worse hands than that, and most of his range has you beat/flipping.


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