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Rocco 09-07-2007 03:57 PM

Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
Stars $22+1R+1A. Just started the 2nd level, lacking reads. Flat call or raise all-in?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t4160)
BB (t6035)
UTG (t4920)
UTG+1 (t900)
MP1 (t6680)
MP2 (t2090)
MP3 (t5025)
CO (t3415)
Button (t9081)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG calls t150, 5 folds, Button calls t150, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t600) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif(4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t450, Button raises to t1500, Hero???

BarryLyndon 09-07-2007 04:14 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
Yeesh. If UTG has AA/KK, and you smooth call, you may get him to push or come for the ride. If UTG pushes and Button repops or just calls, I think it's fair to say you are beat.

If you are ahead of button, pushing is going to make him fold.

I just call. I don't know - I mean, if I push, he's not calling with anything I beat because Q10, K10, and A10 + 22 are by far more possible than 109o. He may be RRing with 99/88 thinking UTG is FOS and that you can't have a 10 / 222, but pushing here is gonna convince him otherwise.

Barry

samthepro15555 09-07-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
i would have to call and see what happens on the turn and than bet like 500 and if he pushes fold

BlueEcho 09-07-2007 04:30 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
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i would have to call and see what happens on the turn and than bet like 500 and if he pushes fold

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Hmmmm IMO leading for 500 on the turn with a pot that is going to have 4000 in it isn't going to accomplish anything.

I call the flop and hope that UTG goes away and maybe I check the turn as well letting villian bet again with a lesser hand. If we lead and there is resistance I think we are committed to a pot that we rarely win. Maybe time for the check/shove. If he checks I lead any river.

JoeyJoJo Shabadu 09-07-2007 05:16 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
A weak call may get UTG trying to fold you with a 4 bet, if he's a donkey (or thinks you are [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). May also induce SB to bet again on the turn. I think you have to be greedy and just call.

crankalicious 09-07-2007 05:36 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
I think you call and decide whether to play for maximum value or push after the turn to take the pot down. There's no indication of strength pre-flop and button seems to be just playing position. His re-raise could just simply be an attempt to steal after the continuation bet. I think best play is to call and go all-in after the turn.

BlueEcho 09-07-2007 05:41 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
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A weak call may get UTG trying to fold you with a 4 bet, if he's a donkey (or thinks you are [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). May also induce SB to bet again on the turn. I think you have to be greedy and just call.

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It may be a bit unrealistic to think that with the action behind his raise that UTG makes a move at this pot without a T or 22. If he does you probably aren't ahead.

Bond18 09-07-2007 08:35 PM

Re: Flopped trips, decent kicker, faces bet + raise
 
I can't believe i'm saying it, but call and slow play a little. Jamming here accomplishes basically nothing, worse hands always fold unless its a T which isn't getting away on turn and no better hand folds.


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