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dragonystic 09-06-2007 04:49 PM

200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
Villain is possible drooler. This was my first orbit with him and he played all 4 hands before this one came up. Seemed loose, but I guess its possible the deck was hitting him over the face.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $56.90
Hero: $272.85
Button: $170.85
SB: $79.35
BB: $69.65

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $8</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($25, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $162.85</font>.

blah-blah-blah 09-06-2007 05:18 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
y would u fold?

wrkingtobegreat 09-06-2007 05:44 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
This is a very tough spot. Against a normal opponent this would probably be a fold, as we are SA/WB (we only beat top pair hands and air). If this guy has played four hands in a row there is a fairly strong possibility he would be doing this with a wide range of hands, which is why I'm leaning towards a very reluctant call.

wrkingtobegreat 09-06-2007 05:45 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
I still don't feel folding here is bad.

orange 09-06-2007 05:47 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
instacalls

yegon 09-06-2007 06:03 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
well we have no reads, I'm not sure seeing him play 4 hands is enough to call such an overbet

he can definitely have a hand that we beat but without reads we can not be sure if he plays draws that aggressively, donks that play many hands play their draws in check/call way usually.

If he is not on a draw we can hardly expect to win the 40% of the time here that we need to break even. I think I would fold to be on the safe side. I think the call is marginal at best.

blah-blah-blah 09-06-2007 06:11 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
why would he bet so much w/ a better hand than bottom two? so much more likely he has Ax/draw.

RAHZero 09-06-2007 06:17 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
You're getting 1.53 to one here, so you need about 39.5% equity against his range to call here. If we give him AK, AQ, AsXs, KsQs, QsJs, KsJs, AT, A7, TT, 77, we only have 35% equity. It's pretty tough to get that up to 40% unless we start throwing in random spade hands, really weak aces and air, which we can't do after playing only 4 hands against him. I'd fold here.

2orange 09-06-2007 07:23 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
Im probably folding because im a nit.

How did he play those 4 hands?

sixhigh 09-06-2007 07:28 PM

Re: 200nl, Bottom 2 Facing Flop Push
 
Button is short and therefore an idiot and has at best Axss. That's an instainsta.


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