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blumpkin 09-04-2007 02:15 AM

How did I miss? I guess I\'ll call.
 
3rd/4th are standard...thoughts on 5th (especially) and 7th?

7 Card Stud High-Low ($30/$60), Ante $5, Bring-In $10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.17 SB)

Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls

4th Street - (7.50 SB)

Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (5.25 BB)

Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___raises___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___raises

6th Street - (11.25 BB)

Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

River - (13.25 BB)

Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (15.25 BB)

2461Badugi 09-04-2007 02:43 AM

Re: How did I miss? I guess I\'ll call.
 
Seems like you're drawing better both ways than Seat 6. Why not keep him in?

Micturition Man 09-04-2007 03:17 AM

Re: How did I miss? I guess I\'ll call.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Seems like you're drawing better both ways than Seat 6. Why not keep him in?

[/ QUOTE ]

With that pot size you definitely want him out no matter what he has, imo.

Lots of ways getting him out can win you an extra half of the pot, or even go from nothing to a scoop. (If for example the third man actually doesn't have a low and you wind up scooping with one or two pair.)

Plus he probably won't fold anyway and jamming would be nice.

Merton0806 09-04-2007 09:04 AM

Re: How did I miss? I guess I\'ll call.
 
i thought 7th was a fold...until i did the maths

cards we know of are:

As
Ks Kd Kc
Qh
Jd Jc
Ts Th
8c
7h 7s
6h
5s 5h
3s
2d 2s

= 18 cards we know therfore 34 remainings cards in the deck

*on 7th villain wins with 55, 888, 333 or K for sure = 9 cards

if he started with 456 he also has 77,444,66,22 for the win = 10 cards together with * he has 19 wins

if he started with A54 he has AA, QQQ, 444 = 8 plus * = 17 wins

if he started with 567 he has 9999, 4444, 77 , 666 = 13 plus * = 21 wins.

he could also have started with a couple of buried clubs so now he has flush draw for the win.

ok so pot on 7th is 735 and we are calling 60 to win 367.5 this is approx. 6-1

therefore if villain is always gonna bet this river i think its a call because our worst case scenario is he started with 7c6c5h and that has 25 wins to our 9 wins and since we are getting 6-1 on a call that makes it +EV??????

SGspecial 09-04-2007 02:46 PM

Re: How did I miss? I guess I\'ll call.
 
This isn't my game, but it seems like your AKJ high will hold up for half way too often to fold. I like Merton's analysis, tho you're getting more like 6.5:1 on your call.


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