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maverickai 09-01-2007 06:51 AM

Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
Preflop: HERO is UTG with Jhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...es/diamond.gif Ahttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...es/diamond.gif
HERO raises to 1.00, 2 folds, MP calls 1.00, 1 fold, CO-1 raises to 1.50, 1 fold, Button calls 1.50, 2 folds, HERO calls 0.50, MP calls 0.50.

Flop (6.75) Qhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/spade.gif Jhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/spade.gif Ahttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/heart.gif
HERO checks, MP checks, CO-1 bets 0.50, Button raises to 1.00, HERO raises to 1.50, MP calls 1.50, CO-1 moves all-in for 1.25, Button calls 0.75, HERO calls 0.25, MP calls 0.25.

Turn (13.75) 5http://www.talking-poker.com/templat...mages/club.gif
HERO bets 1.00, MP calls 1.00, Button calls 1.00.

River (16.75) Khttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...es/diamond.gif
HERO bets 1.00, MP raises to 2.00, Button raises to 3.00, HERO calls 2.00, MP raises to 2.00, Button calls 1.00, HERO calls 1.00

MP shows Jhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...mages/club.gif Thttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/spade.gif
HERO shows Jhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...es/diamond.gif Ahttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...es/diamond.gif
Button shows Qhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...es/diamond.gif Thttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/heart.gif
CO-1 shows Khttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...mages/club.gif Ahttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...mages/club.gif

MP wins 14.375 with A straight, Ace high

Button wins 14.375 with A straight, Ace high

This is a very big pot, but there's something I am pretty confused. As in all microstakes, we have to call down if we have a decent hand, cos players call with all kinds of junk. But how about for this case? Too much aggression that should indicate me to fold?

I believe that it's very possible their ranges could be AK, JJ+. But the pot is already so big, so how do I judge when do have to call it down?

Any advice is appreciated.

Maxinho 09-01-2007 07:40 AM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
Fold, don't post the final result, it doesn't mean anything

against this field you are a underdog

SuLi 09-01-2007 07:41 AM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
I check the river and fold if I have to cold call 2 bets.

NIX 09-01-2007 10:37 AM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
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But the pot is already so big, so how do I judge when do have to call it down?

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Usually, the rule of thumb is don't fold decent hands in big pots for one bet. When it's two bets to you, you should at least think about what they could possibly be betting and raising with and if you can beat it.

In this case, with 4 to a straight being there on the river, it really looks like people either have the straight, or are making dumb bluffs that won't work. The only way you win this hand is if MP and Button are making those dumb bluffs, or if they each made a worse two pair on the river and got excited. I think it's a pretty good indication that one of them has a straight when it's two back to you, especially with how passive MP has been in the hand (cold called 2 preflop and 3 on the flop). He is going to have a straight a lot of the time.

Xylocain 09-01-2007 01:00 PM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
Folt the flop. Vil has a straight WTF?

JSmith2007 09-01-2007 01:37 PM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
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Folt the flop. Vil has a straight WTF?

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Nobody has a straight on the flop?

Uhm, anyway, I'm not sure why you bet out there. I think you've got to assume you're beat with any ten and AK (which someone had as well, a very plausible hand read) so, I just c/c here and hope they're just firing nothing, just me though.

Aaron W. 09-01-2007 01:53 PM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
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Folt the flop. Vil has a straight WTF?

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Flop fold is dumb. You don't want too much action, but some action is okay.

Buzz-cp 09-01-2007 04:03 PM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
flop is a bet
river is an easy check and re-eval. AK just pulled ahead. Definitely fold after it gets bet, raised and reraised. What two hands do you think you beat?

neurotiq 09-01-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
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Button raises to 3.00, HERO calls 2.00, MP raises to 2.00,

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How do you raise from 3.00 to 2.00? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] just teasing... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'd fold to the raise and reraise. I'd probably call one bet, but when there's a raise and a reraise and four to a straight on the board, I wave bye-bye and wish the others the best of luck.

F. McSimmons 09-01-2007 06:14 PM

Re: Big pot, should I call with two pair?
 
I bet the flop.

river I don't like at all.. I check and re-eval as Buzz said.


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