Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

I feel dirty every time I do this.

Stars Second chance. Raise/4bettor is bdbeatslayer, whose name i recognize. i have him with nitty stats through a couple hundred hands.. like 12/6 so it probably means a little something. Other guy is an unknown.

Obviously I don't always flat it the first time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t2120)
Hero (t3205)
CO (t3708)
Button (t1076)
SB (t4220)
BB (t2790)
UTG (t4975)
UTG+1 (t3466)
MP1 (t4420)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t300, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t908</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t4420</font>, Hero folds

Re: Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

This is good of course whenever you tilt shove he has AA and whenever you make a good fold he has AK, but w/e.

Re: Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

Not a fan of the call PF with half the table still to act.

As played, looks like an easy fold versus this guy.

Re: Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

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Not a fan of the call PF with half the table still to act.

As played, looks like an easy fold versus this guy.

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with half the table to act is why I prefer flat calling here then 3betting.

Re: Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

I'm more worried about the 3bettor than the 4bettor. Look at his bet size.

Re: Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

I think it comes down to how large (or small I guess) your stack has to be before you willing to stack off under any circumstance. What I mean is I can't imagine we are ever folding KK/AA PF no matter how the action goes. So at what point do we consider playing QQ passively for the sole purpose of controlling the pot and avoiding PF allin decisions. We are 32BB here. When are you comfortable with a raise?

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I'm more worried about the 3bettor than the 4bettor. Look at his bet size.

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I'm more worried about the 3bettor than the 4bettor. Look at his bet size.

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if the 3 bettor was guaranteed to fold I'd snap call

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I'm more worried about the 3bettor than the 4bettor. Look at his bet size.

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if the 3 bettor was guaranteed to fold I'd snap call

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Re: Folded QQ preflop w/ 30bb
 

so threebettor called the shove with AK, shover had 88, and a Q flopped to salt the wound.

I still think there has to be KK+ out there most of the time with this action. Agree with those who were worried about the threebettors betsize, couple that with the nit stats I had on the shover, I think the fold is right.