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donkeypunch 08-25-2007 07:19 PM

NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
Only ~20 hands on villain, he seemed TAG. This is the first reraised pot we played.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $780.30
BB: $397.30
UTG: $200.00
MP: $96.00
CO: $730.25
BTN: $30.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $36.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $28.00

Flop: ($74) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $60.00</font>, CO calls $60.00

Turn: ($194) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($194) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $68.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $202.00</font>, Hero...?

Should I just fold this because I had no history with villain whatsoever, even though my weak bet may have induced a bluff?

Ginge 08-25-2007 08:02 PM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
You should not have bet the river. It is unlikely that you will get called by a worse hand and betting so small may be interpreted as weakness and raised as a bluff. As played I fold to river raise

Vince. 08-25-2007 08:21 PM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
I don't like river bet either, I might c/c up to a half pot or so bet on the river.

orange 08-25-2007 08:21 PM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
dont like river bet sizing.

edit: unless this was your intention.

donkeypunch 08-25-2007 08:38 PM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
I agree the bet size sucks. I was trying to get some value from JJ/QQ obv.

On another note, I was not really sure what to do on the turn.... I just autochecked when the A hit but now I'm thinking b/f might be a better line since I'm probably ahead a lot but I would hate continuing with the hand if he bet. So what turn line do you prefer?

Shizzle12345 08-25-2007 08:39 PM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
I think its unlikely that the A really helped him. Would he call with a hand like AK on the flop? So maybe bet turn indeed.

Jay Riall 08-25-2007 08:42 PM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
I like a river blocker, just make it a little bigger.

Acaccini 08-26-2007 12:04 AM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
his line virtually makes no logical sence, so maybe he played it VERY well, its definatly not clear of what he is trying to represent. i think a turn bet was in order. this is a horrible spot. the first thing that came to mind was total air for a turn check and weak river bet.

cd1680 08-26-2007 12:31 AM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
the only hand you really beat here is if he had a busted flush draw like KQs or QJs or he could be on a complete bluff if he thought you were the one who missed the flush. but most likely i would fold here becuase you are up against a big hand the majority of the times.

i think you should either c/c the river or as you said earlier, lead the turn again. c/c the river is good against opponents who are more passive and may bluff on river with a missed draw. betting turn is better against very aggressive and perceptive opponents who may see that when you check the turn you have shown weakness and bet turn and river as bluff. it also matters what your image is at the table. if you are seen as a straightforward player, then checking the turn will most likely give out the impression that you are weak, which is not what you want to do. if you are perceived as a trappy player, however, then checking the turn is fine, because it could represent you just hit a set with your aces.

runnawaybus 08-26-2007 01:08 AM

Re: NL200 KK deep vs unknown
 
I like b(110$)/f here on the turn. Not sure what the plan would be on river though hmmmmmm


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