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rminusq 08-25-2007 04:34 PM

Top pair and a draw
 
36+3 WCOOP satellite, very early, no reads yet. Preflop I was distracted and heard the warning beep (and I'd been playing limit cash games), so I just hit the button, hence the min-raise.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t480)
CO (t2440)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1960)</font>
SB (t1450)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t1500)</font>
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1620)
MP1 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t120</font>, Hero calls t80.

Flop: (t250) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t280</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t1380</font>, hero...

Rickyroodido 08-25-2007 05:12 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
If I am raising this flop I am calling the push. So I would raise the flop vs a donkey, or somone who is passive and wont play back.

Without reads you have to fold.

Generally I like to call the flop and se what happens on turn. reevaluate, or hit straight.

Vetgirig 08-25-2007 06:34 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
Call - you have something like 8 for straight, 2 for Q, 3 för K and 1 for runner runner flush for a total of about 14 outs - you have to call.

If you miss the draws - play the next satellite.

Rickyroodido 08-25-2007 06:51 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
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Call - you have something like 8 for straight, 2 for Q, 3 för K and 1 for runner runner flush for a total of about 14 outs - you have to call.

If you miss the draws - play the next satellite.

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He could also be drawing for a split. Why in the world would you count the K as an out... I mean Villian seems to like his hand

rminusq 08-25-2007 08:02 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
[ QUOTE ]
Generally I like to call the flop and se what happens on turn. reevaluate, or hit straight.

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He had AK and as you predicted in the later post, I was drawing to 3 outs for a chop or runner-runner boat. As it turned out (and I know technically speaking, since the deck is always shuffled, it's different), the turn card was a 9, so all my chips were going in one way or the other. River was a king. I was short-stacked, doubled up a short time later and that led to this hand:

Stacks: Button 1215, SB 2925, Hero 880. 15/30 blinds
Fold to button (new to table) who limps, SB limps, Hero (9d 9h) raises to 120, button calls, SB folds.

Pot is 270, flop comes Ts 9s 6s. I want to find out if he's got the flush and bet 210, button calls. Turn is 5c. Pot is 690, my stack is 550, his stack is 885. Is this a shove? Was it a shove on the flop?

donquay 08-25-2007 10:30 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
in the hand with the set I make the flop bet around $250...this leaves you with 510 to shove on turn into pot of 770

if 4th spade comes on turn I probably wimp out though...non spade 5 I definitely push turn.

sledghammer 08-25-2007 10:58 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
First hand just call the flop, second hand raise more preflop, bet pot on flop.

rminusq 08-25-2007 11:17 PM

Re: Top pair and a draw
 
Yeah, raising more preflop with the 99 might have been the better play. I shoved the turn, he called with T8 no hearts and made his straight.


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