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SilentNoise 08-24-2007 05:01 PM

yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $302.80
BB: $216.40
UTG: $183.00
SuperHero (BTN): $292.10

Reads: <font color="blue">villain is 37/7/2.22 over 500 hands</font>

Preflop: SuperHero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">SuperHero raises to $8.00</font>, SB calls $7.00, BB folds

Flop: ($18) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">SuperHero bets $16.00</font>, SB calls $16.00

Turn: ($50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">SuperHero bets $48.00</font>, SB calls $48.00

River: ($146) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $56.00</font>, SuperHero ??? call or shove for value? is it safe to assume a set would have check/raised the turn?

hypothetically ...if villain check/raises the turn..should i treat it as a standard baluga spot or is he bad enough to overplay QT or KQ like this?

dragonystic 08-24-2007 05:02 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
i think just calling here would be the best idea. i dont hate a shove though. id just need a good read to do that.

Requin 08-24-2007 05:08 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
150

syphlix 08-24-2007 05:12 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
mmm... i just call here... feel like if i raise small and get pushed on i'll convince myself that pot odds are nice even when they aren't...

Xanta 08-24-2007 05:13 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
Ugh, I'd be all for a shove if you had 100BB stacks, but with 150 I just don't think that you're getting looked up by QJ, QK enough. I forfeit my nuts for one week and just call.

nuggetz87 08-24-2007 05:14 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
tank and shove ftw

Rainclouds 08-24-2007 05:23 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
You need to be more than 50% sure that you have the best hand to shove (that is even assuming he calls your shove 100% of the time), and based on pot odds you only need to be 22% sure you win to justify a call.

I'm in the between 22-50 camp, so I call.

Some9 08-24-2007 05:24 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
your splitting Id say. Also some KQ and A3s w/ FD in his range so raising is thin.


And if you bet turn you are folding to raises yes.

Requin 08-24-2007 05:25 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
We only lose to 99/Slowplayed QQ+/Quads. All these would also have had to slowplay on the flop. This is the case such a small % of the time compared to villain having a pair, calling is inexcusable here. I really prefer 150 to a shove because I doubt he's very strong, and he's obviously a donk from stats.

Nielsio 08-24-2007 05:26 PM

Re: yo check it...I HAVE A PAIR! YES THATS RIGHT..THE TOP PAIR !
 
The 3:spades: rapes you but for the rest you got him.

Raise


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