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Caballa 08-21-2007 08:24 PM

£1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
Villain is 46/1 with a 0.27 AF.

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: £1/£2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: £215.55
UTG+1: £154.71
CO: £200
Button: £148.25
SB: £270.45
BB: £233.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero calls, 3 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (£6, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets £10</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to £28</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (£62, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets £40</font>, SB calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (£142, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???</font>

The preflop limp is due it being a pretty passive table.

Who opts to check the turn, and what do you do on the river?

prayformojo 08-21-2007 08:30 PM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
Vs this opponent I bet every street. I might check behind on the river unimproved, but the rivered two pair is an easy value bet.

I raise preflop.

Caballa 08-21-2007 09:14 PM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
By "what do you do on the river?" I mean "what do you bet?".

DND 08-21-2007 09:54 PM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
raise PF, raise flop bigger, bet like 115 on the river

JackAll 08-22-2007 07:20 AM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
Wait - someone with AF of 0.27 (meaning he only bets with the nuts) overbets pot on the flop and you raise him with a draw? Are you insane?

Scipio 08-22-2007 08:53 AM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
It“s a kind of way ahead/way behind situation and the flushdraw doesn“t change much.

I would also just call against a good regular.
In my eyes it doesn“t make sense to turn our madehand into a bluff only because we have extra outs. No worse hand is calling...

auc hincloss 08-22-2007 09:10 AM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
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Wait - someone with AF of 0.27 (meaning he only bets with the nuts) overbets pot on the flop and you raise him with a draw? Are you insane?

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you would then expect a raise preflop with any big ace, what hand can you put him on, if he is only betting the nuts or close to it, you can only put him realistically on 77, 44 or 66. you can almost rule out 77 as would expect a bet on the flop with a few draws out there. 44 is more plausible as bets out on turn and wouldn't have raised pre flop. 66 again is unlikely as he must feel he has the best hand come the river and would bet out. you have the best hand, bet £80-£85 on the river.

Yeti 08-22-2007 09:29 AM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
you voluntarily put money in behind on the turn, now you have the best hand and you're asking what to do

Janis N. 08-22-2007 10:19 AM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
What is the sample size for that AF? I don't mind the flop raise as it makes him easier to stack if you get your flush, but it is certainly a semi-bluff.

I'd bet L110 on the river.

JackAll 08-23-2007 06:19 AM

Re: £1/£2NL A6s top pair + flush draw
 
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Wait - someone with AF of 0.27 (meaning he only bets with the nuts) overbets pot on the flop and you raise him with a draw? Are you insane?

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you would then expect a raise preflop with any big ace, what hand can you put him on, if he is only betting the nuts or close to it, you can only put him realistically on 77, 44 or 66. you can almost rule out 77 as would expect a bet on the flop with a few draws out there. 44 is more plausible as bets out on turn and wouldn't have raised pre flop. 66 again is unlikely as he must feel he has the best hand come the river and would bet out. you have the best hand, bet £80-£85 on the river.

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No. His pfr% is 1. So he raises exactly AA/KK. That makes up 1% of hands he can be dealt. AK is in his limping range. With his low AF, his A's probably include A7/AJ+. He could easily have 77 and definitely JJ too. You are behind here on the flop. Raising flop is nutso vs this guy.

As played, check the turn for gods sake. Same reasoning as for flop flat call.

On the river, it looks like he has a good ace here most of the time - probably AQ. Just go ahead and bet.

But flop and turn are god awful.


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