$2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

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<font color="#C00000">Hero ($400)</font>
UTG ($414)
MP ($229)
Button ($412)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($256.40)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $32</font>, SB calls $24.

Flop: ($64) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $64</font> hero??????????????????????


he has $160 left

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

he has 78 fold

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

In my experience, usually when he bets $12 here he's weak and when he bets $64 here he's "strong". I put strong in quotes because sometimes he isn't that strong, but I think his range is at least one that AK is behind and you have no FE.

So I'd fold.

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

If his range has a bunch of flush draws + pairs like 8x, 44-77, plus sets, you're about 38%.

If his range is more weighted towards 8x, your equity gets substantially worse.

I don't think you're ever better than about 40% here unless he likes doing this with complete air, which he might... but readless I'd at least assume he has some piece / draw.

You don't have great equity ever, he isn't laying you a good price to call, and I think you rarely have any FE.

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

Meh, just fold. If he bet like half pot I probably shove.

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

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If his range has a bunch of flush draws + pairs like 8x, 44-77, plus sets, you're about 38%.

If his range is more weighted towards 8x, your equity gets substantially worse.

I don't think you're ever better than about 40% here unless he likes doing this with complete air, which he might... but readless I'd at least assume he has some piece / draw.

You don't have great equity ever, he isn't laying you a good price to call, and I think you rarely have any FE.

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I just don't see a case for doing anything else here.

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

Fold, move on, you have few clean outs and zero FE.

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

so I guess shoving and pretending you got it all in preflop isn't optimal?

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

It's about as optimal as getting AKs sucked out on by 78o for $256 is vs. getting AKs sucked out on by 78o for $32 is.

So no. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: $2/$4 - facing shortstacks donkbet
 

I voted fold

if he had bet some amount lesss than pot I would like to shove

I just rarely see the pot/fold line taken by SS here