33 earns 33 BB... but should I have been in the pot?
 

The Canterbury 8/16 plays crazy, although last night was insane, even by CP standards. In multiway pots I tend to play a lot of speculative hands, and wonder what others see as appropriately profitable hands in situations such as this one...

UTG straddles and UTG+1 puts out a dead three-bet. Two players call the dead-three and you look down at red treys. Since you are highly skilled at flopping sets, but want to disguise your "monster hand," you just call. Button calls, BB folds, Straddler raises and Mr. Dead-three caps it. All call and 6 see the flop for 5 bets each.

Since you are not only skilled at set flopping, but flopping in general, the flop comes a perfect A93r, and since there is a bet, raise and three-bet to you, there is no reason to wait, and you 4-bet it. The Straddler caps and 5 call the five-bet.

In the end MHIG, and the dealer shoveled two and a half racks of yellow my way. Here's the hypothetical...

Assume you are in a game with 5-7 complete idiots and the pot WILL be capped 5 ways or more preflop. What hands do you play (aside from the obvious)?

I find myself playing suited connectors down to 45, suited one-gappers to J9, any pocket pair, and Axs down a ways (varies depending on the game).

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I agree with your call in the 33 hand. I practically never play worse than 98s for 3bets and even then I need to be positive it's going to be like 8-handed (low Axs hands I probably treat the same as SCs but I haven't thought about it very much and could be wrong on that one). SCs depend a lot more on implied odds which are hard to come by if you're paying 3-4 bets preflop.

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Assume you are in a game with 5-7 complete idiots and the pot WILL be capped 5 ways or more preflop. What hands do you play (aside from the obvious)?

I find myself playing suited connectors down to 45, suited one-gappers to J9, any pocket pair, and Axs down a ways (varies depending on the game).

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I agree with your hand selection, but could maybe find an excuse to play T8s, but I don't think I'd call 3 cold with it.

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i play anything that i feel can make a big hand. all pairs, Axs, all suited broadway, AK, T9s, J9s.

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hello variance.

if it's constantly getting capped that many ways preflop,
it's likely i'm playing pretty tight. i would play most any pair for sure. AJs+(sometimes maybe ATs), KQs+, AQo+, and of course most pairs(odds being right). on the button or otherwise in position i might loosen up, but in general i'm playing conservatively and waiting for my big hand.

something else. i know i have an edge over these guys when playing postflop. if a pot is capped that many ways preflop, most any sort of hand has the odds to draw. this means the bad players don't make as many mistakes. in effect the huge pot levels the playing field. that's another reason i want to have premium starting hands when entering one of these crazy capped multiway pots. it increases my preflop advantage and allows me to maximize my earn for that street. it's the one on which i can realize an extra edge because my starting hand is so much better on average.

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any pocket pair is fine here imo

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That's pretty much akin to the advice from SSHE, except that SSHE says to play even tighter, like QQ+, AK and AKs. They make another observation that playing with their recommendations can make for a pretty boring game. If one choses to stray from their recs with hands like 99 and some of the larger SCs, just be sure to buckle-up for the variance.

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That's pretty much akin to the advice from SSHE, except that SSHE says to play even tighter, like QQ+, AK and AKs. They make another observation that playing with their recommendations can make for a pretty boring game. If one choses to stray from their recs with hands like 99 and some of the larger SCs, just be sure to buckle-up for the variance.

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yea if i had to take that route i'd prob just get up and leave. i dont drive to the casino to sit there and fold all day.

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yea if i had to take that route i'd prob just get up and leave. i dont drive to the casino to sit there and fold all day.

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so do you play poker for [censored] and giggles or to make money? these games can be HIGHLY profitable, it just takes some patience in waiting for the right situations. this statement is eerily reminiscent of a)someone running really well or b)a donk. i certainly don't think you're a donk, but i do think it's likely you are running above average.