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Irish Cannon 08-16-2007 05:00 PM

Misplayed tens in early position?
 
PokerStars Game #11522600114: Tournament #57905029, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/08/16 - 16:57:34 (ET)
Table '57905029 102' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Tarkaner (7290 in chips)
Seat 2: Darkeonz (4085 in chips)
Seat 3: el ganjas (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: Perikles (5225 in chips)
Seat 5: antny8877 (2190 in chips)
Seat 6: CelticCannon (7128 in chips)
Seat 7: NZ Dealer (31506 in chips)
Seat 8: sleepyzs (5795 in chips)
Seat 9: JammyJoe (18720 in chips)
Tarkaner: posts the ante 25
Darkeonz: posts the ante 25
el ganjas: posts the ante 25
Perikles: posts the ante 25
antny8877: posts the ante 25
CelticCannon: posts the ante 25
NZ Dealer: posts the ante 25
sleepyzs: posts the ante 25
JammyJoe: posts the ante 25
el ganjas: posts small blind 200
Perikles: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CelticCannon [Tc Th]
Darkeonz said, "very well played preflop"
antny8877: folds
CelticCannon: raises 800 to 1200
NZ Dealer: folds
sleepyzs: folds
JammyJoe: folds
Tarkaner: folds
Darkeonz: calls 1200
el ganjas: folds
Perikles: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Js 6s 3d]
Perikles: checks
CelticCannon: checks
Darkeonz: bets 2860 and is all-in
Perikles: folds
CelticCannon: folds
Darkeonz collected 4025 from pot
Darkeonz: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4025 | Rake 0
Board [Js 6s 3d]
Seat 1: Tarkaner folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Darkeonz (button) collected (4025)
Seat 3: el ganjas (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Perikles (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: antny8877 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: CelticCannon folded on the Flop
Seat 7: NZ Dealer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sleepyzs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JammyJoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)

levAA 08-16-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Misplayed tens in early position?
 
come on irishcannon - please use a converter - this is so exhausting to read through these side-long hand histories.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t7290)
Button (t4085)
SB (t2970)
BB (t5225)
UTG (t2190)
Hero (t7128)
MP1 (t31506)
MP2 (t5795)
MP3 (t18720)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls t1200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t800.

Flop: (t3400) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t2860 (All-In)</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t540

Dunkman 08-16-2007 05:07 PM

Re: Misplayed tens in early position?
 
I think you need to call that guy's shove on the flop unless you have a read that he like never bluffs, because from a normal opponent that could be anything. I probably would have just shoved the flop to begin with, that's not a bad flop really.

edit: pot size on the flop is way wrong on the one that just got converted...should be t4025.

black666 08-16-2007 05:14 PM

Re: Misplayed tens in early position?
 
I don't think folding is that bad ... people like to call PFR with a Jx hand so much that a J on the flop hits at least one villain almost always. It kind of sucks because the pot is pretty big.

That being said a call can certainly be +EV here as villain is doing this with a wide range of hands (FD, medium PP,..) and we are getting over 2:1 on the call. Calling 1/4 of his stack PF, villain shoves / calls a shove on almost every flop. This is were a read would be nice...

call &gt; fold &gt; shove

btw: use a HH converter next time


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