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Jake M. 08-14-2007 01:46 AM

Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
Full Tilt Poker $24+2, $14k Guaranteed, Double Stack (3000 starting chips), 6-Max.
720 Entries
Blinds: 80/160
About an hour and a half into the tournament
2260 chips (3rd to last with 207 players remaining)
Villain has 18045

Everyone folds to me in the SB

Hero 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I decided to call because the last 2 orbits everyone had folded to me and I pushed all in on his BB and he mucked both times. I didn't want to get looked up by a even larger range. Villain checks.

Flop
K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero Bets 250
Villain Calls 250

Turn
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Pot is now 860. I have 1850 in my stack. Whats the play? The big blind has been playing pretty tight but got a hold of some chips with quads just recently. I do not feel like he has an Ace here. I doubt he would call on the flop with Ace high. Also, he probably would have raised me preflop with an Ace in my hand. My read is that he has a King, maybe a pair of 9s.

Hero bets 700
Villain calls 700

What do I put him on here? Is he slowplaying a big hand? Is he "slowplaying" a King? Does he have some sort of draw? Now the next question is: What is my play on the river?

River
2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I have 1150 in my stack and the pot is now 2260. I would assume the only play here is all in, right?

Micro Donk 08-14-2007 01:51 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
does it even need to be said to fold pre?

jrock901 08-14-2007 02:09 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
I would fold pre flop as well but since you didn't...what type of hand could he have? I'm thinking a weak king here but I'd be curious to see what other opinions are. But it has to go in on the river obvioulsy.

themobfather 08-14-2007 02:26 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
i would fold pre here also. but if i did call i would play it exactly the same.

chh 08-14-2007 05:30 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
against a passive, weak player I limp here as well and 1/3 to 1/2 of the pot on the flop expecting to win the pot 70% of the time. Without a read I fold.

I like your betsizes and you definitely want to get it all in here. Sorry that he had K2

Pokerfarian 08-14-2007 08:42 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
Preflop is read dependant - default muck, but completing ATC is fine against some villians. I like the post flop line assuming you shoved river.

Tackleberry 08-14-2007 08:48 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
I complete ATC here, bet any (!!) flop potsize and back-off if Villain calls.

As played here, I c/f the turn.

mflip 08-14-2007 09:13 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
Why would you c/f turn?

This was played well as long as you shove river.

Tackleberry 08-14-2007 09:22 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
[ QUOTE ]
Why would you c/f turn?

This was played well as long as you shove river.

[/ QUOTE ]

As played you have to shove the river - this is not the question. Nevertheless I expect to be beaten the majority of time here and our FE is nearly zero.

To avoid this ugly situation I just had c/f the turn. The question for me is - what should Villain call the flop with that we still beat on the turn? As soon as we put a single chip in on the turn we´re committed with a bunch of crap. This is why I just wanted to wait for a better spot to steal or getting it in as a favourite.

mflip 08-14-2007 09:28 AM

Re: Blind against Blind, on the short stack
 
What do you put the BB on? these are the hands that we are behind when he calls, K9,K3,KK,99,33. He's not checking KK or 99 PF and maybe not K9. So you are scared of K9, K3, 33? We can't add Aces into his range yet because we haven't bet so we have no idea how he'll react to the A.


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